Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[MDS]

Colmes is a self-described moderate and only appears with the shteinhead Hannity, who just destroys him and makes him look like an idiot. Colmes is weak and a complete patsy.

MSNBC also has Pat Buchanan and people like Chuck Todd who have no bias, while Fox counters with Karl Rove and Republican pollster Frank Luntz who is presented as some kind of moderate.

It's not even close and you should quit now with this inane argument.

[ice grillin you]

not even close...scarborogh has a mind of his own...he was a congressman...he stands his ground and doesnt take shtein...colmes is a patsy an ex stand up comedian who has no political background whatsoever and is a complete joke to everyone including his employer

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I did not expect that would embrace the idea that FoxNews isn't alone in the "bush league news" arena, but merely wanted to point out to the few reasonable moderates on the board that it is indeed the case.

Go ahead and continue your DNC sucklefest.

[ice grillin you]

we will as long as you continue to reach and grab at trying to defend your money loving hate mongering bretherin

[Phanatic]

Oberman's a joke. I know that much...

[fansince61]

How about encouraging people to vote for the person who you think will be best for the country and then saying WHY they would be the best for the country, rather than invoking some hackneyed bleeding heart wet dream to guilt people into a vote?

Nobody REALLY knows why Obama will be best for the country (he will better than the "chimp")..err wait..Change, Hope 

[Cerevant]

Note: there is no question that MSNBC has a leftward slant, and that Olberman is an unabashed partisan.  Countdown is not news, it is entertainment.

...but at least they aren't hiring "Fact Writers"

How about encouraging people to vote for the person who you think will be best for the country and then saying WHY they would be the best for the country, rather than invoking some hackneyed bleeding heart wet dream to guilt people into a vote?

Nobody REALLY knows why Obama will be best for the country (he will better than the "chimp")..err wait..Change, Hope 

1) Obama supports campaign finance reform to reduce the influence and power of corporations.
2) Obama supports international diplomacy rather than "do it our way or we'll bomb you"
3) Obama wants to implement universal (but not single payer) healthcare
4) Obama wants to achieve energy independence through clean, renewable sources, rather than more drilling.

How's that for a start?

[phillymic2000]

we will as long as you continue to reach and grab at trying to defend your money loving hate mongering bretherin

Are you talking about Emil Jones again?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

1) Obama supports campaign finance reform to reduce the influence and power of corporations.
4) Obama wants to achieve energy independence through clean, renewable sources, rather than more drilling.

While DNC dialogue would obviously argue otherwise, McCain is stronger on both of these issues than many Democrats (arguably including Obama).

2) Obama supports international diplomacy rather than "do it our way or we'll bomb you"
3) Obama wants to implement universal (but not single payer) healthcare

2) That's a fancy way of saying he wants a hands-off policy like Clinton's, right?
3) That is likely the largest differentiator, and obviously the largest in your list.  That doesn't mean it's a good idea; it just means it's clear Obama is for it and McCain is not.

[phillymic2000]

Obama supports campaign finance reform to reduce the influence and power of corporations.

I cry BullSh%@ I support making every monday after an eagles victory a national holiday, but like Obama if I was elected president there is no way it will happen. Both parties are tied to big corporations unlike the bs on here that the repubs are the only ones.

Obama supports international diplomacy rather than "do it our way or we'll bomb you"

There is a time and place for both.

Obama wants to implement universal (but not single payer) healthcare

Booooo I do not agree with universal healthcare at all.

Obama wants to achieve energy independence through clean, renewable sources, rather than more drilling.

Once again saying you want to and having no plan to back it up, just like the Speaker's promise after the dem's took power to have a common sense plan to reduce pump costs, 2 years later and a "plan" that has done nothing.

[rjs246]

Once again for the idiots in the back...

No one expects you to agree with everything the man stands for.

I said Hillary's speech should have focussed on issues rather than bleeding heart bullshtein. '61 said that no one knows what he stands for. Cerevant told him what he stands for. That was the progression and at no point was anyone trying to force those ideas on you so farging settle down.

[Cerevant]

1) Obama supports campaign finance reform to reduce the influence and power of corporations.
4) Obama wants to achieve energy independence through clean, renewable sources, rather than more drilling.

While DNC dialogue would obviously argue otherwise, McCain is stronger on both of these issues than many Democrats (arguably including Obama).

Bullshtein.  McCain is in the pockets of lobbyists.   Obama has put his money where his mouth is and not only declined any Lobbyist/PAC money, but has required this of the entire DNC.

McCain's energy solution is drilling and nuclear.  Frankly, I think nuclear should be part of the plan, but it is neither renewable nor completely clean.  Obama has plans to encourage the development of wind, solar and hydro power.

2) Obama supports international diplomacy rather than "do it our way or we'll bomb you"
3) Obama wants to implement universal (but not single payer) healthcare

2) That's a fancy way of saying he wants a hands-off policy like Clinton's, right?

No, it is a straightforward way of saying, do it like Bush Sr. did - get the support of the rest of the world and go in with overwhelming force.  W and Co. prefer unilateral action and prefer combat to diplomacy.  Now that they are fighting two wars, there aren't enough soldiers to get the job done in either place.

3) That is likely the largest differentiator, and obviously the largest in your list.  That doesn't mean it's a good idea; it just means it's clear Obama is for it and McCain is not.

Agreed, but it is a clear, well defined reason to support Obama over McCain, somethingn which the dittoheads here seem to think doesn't exist.

[phillymic2000]

So I'm not allowed to give my opinion on what some of his points are? thanks but kiss it.

[Cerevant]

You have your opinion and I have mine - the problem is that you are off topic (and so am I, a bit).  The point was that people keep saying that Obama doesn't stand for anything, and I disagree.  You don't have to like what he has to say, but he does have something to say.

[phillymic2000]

I absolutely love how the right is considered the hate mongering party around here, but the majority of sterotyping and name calling comes from the other side. It is priceless, and makes my day sometimes. hitler, racist, dittohead, idiots, etc....