Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[rjs246]

I don't see how 'paying taxes' = 'getting farged in the ass'.

[fansince61]

Admittedly I'm only involved in this election because a)I think this country has farged itself into a corner and b)there is a candidate who is in a position to try and change the way things are done, but 61's repeated dismissal of Obama as a legitimate candidate confuses the shtein out of me.

I don't know any better than anyone else if Obama can or will change anything but I don't understand the mindset that a 70+ year old career politician who hasn't even been able to stand firm on issues is somehow a better candidate. Is it fear of change? Is it a firm belief that experience in the way things have always been done is the way things should continue to be done?
Honestly, I'm curious. McCain vs. Obama, what is the rationale for voting for McCain?

He's just inexperienced.  All new people have a learning curve but for those seeking the job of POTUS critcism can get intense (it hasn't even come close yet).  Other than the Philly debate he has yet to be serioulsly examined.  This has worked for and against "Barry".  Obama is a better than McCain but this just highlites the sad state of choices the Aristocracy lets us have.

There is no rational for voting for McCain but "Barry" could talk himself out of a job unless he starts crackin the books and gets up to speed and can compete on discussing the issues in detail.  

[Rome]

I got my refund check in the mail today.  I'm paying the balance of my Eagles season tickets off with it.  Plus it's my ladyfriend's birthday on Wednesday so I'm taking her to the Hyde Park Steakhouse for dinner that night.

So, basically, I'm being patriotic by spending my money recklessly on shtein I don't need.

[Rome]

There is no rational for voting for McCain but "Barry" could talk himself out of a job unless he starts crackin the books and gets up to speed and can compete on discussing the issues in detail.  

Are you kidding?  Bush has been president for seven years and still doesn't have even a remedial grasp of the issues.  That's why we're in the pickle we're in right now.

What Obama has going for him is intelligence and the ability to convey his message clearly.  I don't care if he's wrong about some things (and he is) but after two long terms of the a guy who would be better off wearing make up, a red nose and floppy shoes, I'll take erudite, articulate and inexperienced any day of the week.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I don't see how 'paying taxes' = 'getting farged in the ass'.

I don't have a problem with paying taxes.  I have a problem with paying taxes that go to an inefficient, bureaucratic, money-wasting mess of a Federal government.  Basically, there's nothing the government does that couldn't be done a lot more efficiently, and much of it (yes, even the Iraq War) shouldn't be done at all.  Why should I lose spending and saving power and work harder and more years to support the most ridiculously stupid and ineffectual entity around?

[rjs246]

OK, and that is an easy case to make, but if you take that same money and apply it to things that we actually need in this country, people would still bitch and moan about paying taxes and that doesn't make any sense to me. There's almost no intelligence behind the complaint that I've ever heard, there's just "That guy says he'll lower taxes so I'm voting for him." which is idiocy.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I'm more along the lines of "that guy's going to raise my taxes and I will not get any personal benefit from it" actually.

[Phanatic]

I wouldn't mind paying taxes if I thought the government was actually doing something with it worth while. Even social programs that are worth while are farged by government ineptitude at this point. When it comes down to it I just don't believe in the government's ability to do anything right for a given amount of time...

[Father Demon]

Not Ron Paul, Bob Barr.

There are rumors of Paul's people raising some hell at the Republican convention.  He's said all along that he will not run on a 3rd party ticket, because he considers himself a Republican.  I admire his enthusiasm, but he's a Libertarian if I've ever seen one.

And he did it...

Former Republican Rep. Bob Barr launched a Libertarian Party presidential bid Monday, saying voters are hungry for an alternative to the status quo who would dramatically cut the federal government.

His candidacy throws a wild card into the White House race that many believe could peel away votes from Republican Sen. John McCain given the candidates' similar positions on fiscal policy.

[ATV]

I'm more along the lines of "that guy's going to raise my taxes and I will not get any personal benefit from it" actually.

Obama has no plans to raise your taxes unless you're one seriously rich motherfarger....

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/ObamaPolicy_Fiscal.pdf

When it comes down to it I just don't believe in the government's ability to do anything right for a given amount of time...

We used to have a government that worked. That's the goal, to bring back a government that actually functions. Keep in mind that for those in power that believe in no government, it's not in their best interest to demonstrate that government be capable of anything.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Not Ron Paul, Bob Barr.

There are rumors of Paul's people raising some hell at the Republican convention.  He's said all along that he will not run on a 3rd party ticket, because he considers himself a Republican.  I admire his enthusiasm, but he's a Libertarian if I've ever seen one.

And he did it...

Former Republican Rep. Bob Barr launched a Libertarian Party presidential bid Monday, saying voters are hungry for an alternative to the status quo who would dramatically cut the federal government.

His candidacy throws a wild card into the White House race that many believe could peel away votes from Republican Sen. John McCain given the candidates' similar positions on fiscal policy.

I think my pronoun was misleading.  Who gives a shtein about Bob Barr?  I was saying that RON PAUL never had any plans to run as a Libertarian.

I'm more along the lines of "that guy's going to raise my taxes and I will not get any personal benefit from it" actually.

Obama has no plans to raise your taxes unless you're one seriously rich motherfarger....

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal/ObamaPolicy_Fiscal.pdf

Yeah, because that's not vague or anything.  Firstly, he makes it clear that he's going to roll back the Bush tax cuts.  That will raise everyone's taxes.  Then, there is no mention about what the "wealthiest" Americans are.  If you make a $50,000 household income, you're probably safe.  Where's the line?  You have no farging idea.

[Cerevant]

When considering taxes, it is important to factor in what you don't have to pay for any more.  In my last job, I paid $125 every two weeks for health insurance for me and my family.  So now, when my taxes include $700/year for health insurance, I don't get too upset.

[Cerevant]

Republicans roll out their new campaign slogan in response to the Democrats call for change:
"Change you deserve"

The problem?  That slogan is already in use - to advertise the drug Effexor XR...an antidepressant.

[rjs246]

Was FF spouting off just last month about how he was going to be voting for Obama? What the farg?

[Rome]

Burn him!