Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Rome]

there's really only two classes:

those with power.

those without.

[Phanatic]

Mob Rules these days.

Exactly.  Thats why we are supposed to be protected by the "Constitution".  Seems like we have three classes in this country. (1) The super rich - hollywood, Bill gates, (2) The aristocracy - government/elected officials who get benifits and retirement plans illegal for the "rest of us" to have. In Allentown PA some cops retire after 13 years at 100% pay -  based on the best 30 days in their last 3 years!* (3) the rest of us "the masses" are the ones who pay for the first two groups.   I'm in group 3 and wouldn't want to be anywhere else, I just think we should have one set of rules for all the citizens and none of this 13 year retirement, free car/limo schtein.

* the city is bankrupt and was bankrupt when they passed this police contract.  I hear state bailout not far away

The variance of wealth/power within the "(3) the rest of us "the masses"" is huge and can't be lumped into one category like that...

Main factor for group 3 is not enough money to influence local or national politco to due your bidding... You could be comfortably well off though.

[Cerevant]

My thoughts on today:

Obama wins NC easily - > 10%.  If it weren't for Wright's press conference (arranged by a Hillary supporter) he would have won by more than 15%.

It was looking like Obama might take Indiana, but I think he will come up short due to voting irregularities:

• 1.5 million voter registrations have been purged
• The supreme court has ruled to allow Indiana to require photo ID for voters for the first time in US history.
• Indiana is using a large number of voting machines which have been de-certified by the state, and caused numerous problems in PA

All of this works against Obama.  Hillary wins by between 3% and 7%.  The race goes on and on...

So we plow forward:
West Virginia - Hillary
Kentucky - Hillary
Oregon - Obama
Puerto Rico - Hillary
Montana - Obama
South Dakota - Obama

If Obama doesn't find a way to beat Hillary in Indiana today, the rest of the primaries are meaningless.  The superdelegate decision will come down to who is polling better in swing states, and whether the super believes in Dean's "50-state strategy", or the Clinton's "Big State" strategy.  The Clinton strategy results in a close finish, which cost the Democrats the Presidency in the last two elections.

Obama needs to find a way to get some positive press and get off the defensive or the Supers will again make the conservative choice.  If that happens, I think Jeb delivers Florida to McCain, and he will be another president who lost the popular vote.

[ice grillin you]

nc obama by 4


indiana hillary by 9

[rjs246]

Someone (IGY?) made a point a few days ago that really rings true. If Hillary gets the nomination, even if she somehow wins the presidency there is a massive group of new young voters who are just becoming interested in politics that will be completely disenfranchised. It's a really important thing to consider in all of this.

[Cerevant]

Excellent point, and I think this is why Dean is trying to make this fundamental change to the party.  Even if Obama were to lose the presidency, the energized democratic base all over the country could begin to establish a democratic stranglehold on congress.

[ice grillin you]

Someone (IGY?) made a point a few days ago that really rings true. If Hillary gets the nomination, even if she somehow wins the presidency there is a massive group of new young voters who are just becoming interested in politics that will be completely disenfranchised. It's a really important thing to consider in all of this.

its one of the main reasons rush limbaugh is doing his operation chaos...an entire new generation of democratic young voters and black voters scares the hell out of the right

[Phanatic]

Someone (IGY?) made a point a few days ago that really rings true. If Hillary gets the nomination, even if she somehow wins the presidency there is a massive group of new young voters who are just becoming interested in politics that will be completely disenfranchised. It's a really important thing to consider in all of this.

Yeah that was me. The reason Obama is so powerful in this election is that he brings voters to the table that weren't there before. Something the Dems should consider holding on to.

[fansince61]

Someone (IGY?) made a point a few days ago that really rings true. If Hillary gets the nomination, even if she somehow wins the presidency there is a massive group of new young voters who are just becoming interested in politics that will be completely disenfranchised. It's a really important thing to consider in all of this.

So....Are you saying it is our responsibility to vote for Obama so the young voters don't FEEL disenfranchised

[fansince61]

its one of the main reasons rush limbaugh is doing his operation chaos...an entire new generation of democratic young voters and black voters scares the hell out of the right

I don't have any idea what or why limbo thinks the way he does...however young democratic voters can come up with a lot of REALLY bad ideas because they have nothing invested (ie. nothing to loose) if the new ideas bomb out

[Cerevant]

So....Are you saying it is our responsibility to vote for Obama so the young voters don't FEEL disenfranchised

No, but that is in the best interest of the Democratic party.

I personally think that campaign finance reform is the key issue for our generation - it will determine if our country is continued to be run by corporations and the rich, or by the will of the people.  No other issue can be resolved in the interest of the people while the government is run by lobbyist money.  That is the #1 reason I support Obama.

[Wingspan]

So....Are you saying it is our responsibility to vote for Obama so the young voters don't FEEL disenfranchised

No, but that is in the best interest of the Democratic party.

I personally think that campaign finance reform is the key issue for our generation - it will determine if our country is continued to be run by corporations and the rich, or by the will of the people.  No other issue can be resolved in the interest of the people while the government is run by lobbyist money.  That is the #1 reason I support Obama.

And not coincidentally, that is probably why he is having a tough time securing the nomination.

[ice grillin you]

So....Are you saying it is our responsibility to vote for Obama so the young voters don't FEEL disenfranchised

No, but that is in the best interest of the Democratic party.

I personally think that campaign finance reform is the key issue for our generation - it will determine if our country is continued to be run by corporations and the rich, or by the will of the people.  No other issue can be resolved in the interest of the people while the government is run by lobbyist money.  That is the #1 reason I support Obama.

And not coincidentally, that is probably why he is having a tough time securing the nomination.

yup....he scares people to death and is a huge threat to take money out of a whole lot of big wigs pockets who are very used to getting what they want when they want

[rjs246]

Someone (IGY?) made a point a few days ago that really rings true. If Hillary gets the nomination, even if she somehow wins the presidency there is a massive group of new young voters who are just becoming interested in politics that will be completely disenfranchised. It's a really important thing to consider in all of this.

So....Are you saying it is our responsibility to vote for Obama so the young voters don't FEEL disenfranchised

I know you're not this retarded. It's the responsibility of the Democratic party to nominate the candidate who a)collected more popular vote, b)collected more delegates and c)provides the greatest chance of rallying voters (especially new voters) and saving a party that has completely lost its way.

[fansince61]

I know you're not this retarded. It's the responsibility of the Democratic party to nominate the candidate who a)collected more popular vote, b)collected more delegates and c)provides the greatest chance of rallying voters (especially new voters) and saving a party that has completely lost its way.

Right, wrong or retarded I believe the Democratic Parties responcibility in this case(as both candidates are similar) is to select the candidate that has the best chance of winning in Nov.  I think Obamas huge success in early Feb was due mostly to Clintons negatives and he was an unknown (but excellent speaker).  I think many that voted for Obama on super Tuesday would not do so today.  Florida and Michigan do matter in this election and Obama record in taking big prize states is poor.  We'll see.