Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

"Christian conservative" only compose the super-right on social issues.  They'll vote for anyone that acts "patriotic" and invokes the name of Jesus enough. 

As I've lamented before, the line between fiscal conservatism and "tax and spend" is just severely blurred now.  There is no left wing or right wing when it comes to the economy.  Reagan and W are two of the least responsible fiscal Presidents in our history, up there with FDR and LBJ.  Kennedy, Nixon, and Clinton are actually some of the more fiscally responsible.  So, the line between "Democrat" and "Republican" is largely defined by social issues, which shape elections but ultimately don't shape much in the way of policy.  Partial-birth abortion and same-sex marriage are so unimportant in the true grand scheme of things that it's ridiculous how much people care about it at all.

[ice grillin you]

the point is the right has a powerful succinct base that will come out and vote in droves...the left does not...

plus for some unknown reason the term "liberal" scares our country far more than "religious right" or "christian conservatism"...liberal is the dirtiest word in politics right now

[Sgt PSN]

plus for some unknown reason the term "liberal" scares our country far more than "religious right" or "christian conservatism"...liberal is the dirtiest word in politics right now

Which is kind of funny because  the founders of this country were all liberals.  And terrorists.   

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

plus for some unknown reason the term "liberal" scares our country far more than "religious right" or "christian conservatism"...liberal is the dirtiest word in politics right now

Which is kind of funny because  the founders of this country were all liberals.  And terrorists.   

And druggees and alcoholics.


But in all seriousness, I think the whole persecution thing is in the eyes of the beholder.  There are just as many people on the streets and in the media scared or put off by the "religious right" or "christian conservativism" as by "liberals" - if not more.  As a member of one of the groups, you're bound to amplify criticism that is essentially directed at you.

[Phanatic]

"Liberal" has been a dirty word for as long as I can remember though I've never agreed with disparaging an entire principle or school of thought. All of these things are paved with good intentions. In the end though I think all of these principles, liberal, conservative, socialism, and whatever are just tools in the tool box and every problem requires the right combination of these things to be made better. Unfortunatly that is way to nuanced and complex for just anyone to comprehend, myself included, so people throw themselves behind one or the other and we get the blind leading the blind and propaganda about what people stand for. It's all a farce really.

McCain is the best candidate on the right. Obama on the left. If we get that we get a heck of a race when they square off.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

McCain isn't going to last it out.  He's always frazzled easily, but now he's getting a bit senile also.  Bad combo.

[Phanatic]

McCain hasn't looked frazzled at all in debates so far. In fact he's looked better then any other candidate up there though I think that speaks to the candidates up there more then it speaks to McCain.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Romney - empty suit
Huckabee - way too far right on social issues to be electable
Giuliani - baseless campaign on patriotism and 9/11
Paul - extreme also-ran, theory and message is ok, actual guy is a nut
Thompson - couldn't give a rat's ass

It's not like McCain's competition is anything to write home about - true.  But Romney is one slimy SOB and will probably find many ways to make McCain appear unelectable.

[Eagles_Legendz]

What's scary is the poll numbers nationally for Huckabee and the fact that he is starting to be able to garner significant support in DE and FL. 

I think whoever is running the Romney campaign is giving him terrible advice.  I thought the last Fox News debate he, for the most part, dominated the Republican competition, and he can certainly seem the most "presidential" and well spoken of the group.  However, he's killing his own chances by going after McCain and Huckabee as much as he is.  I was rooting for him versus Huckabee in Iowa, because Huckabee getting elected would be more of an undesirable scenario than any other Republican, despite the fact that I think Huckabee would be the easiest to defeat in a general election. 

I also think Giuliani's act is wearing thin.  He has no platform except for piggybacking on Clinton reforms like workfare etc and scaring people about 9/11.  Thompson is useless and Paul scares too many Republicans to matter.

If Romney doesn't take Michigan I think the election will come down to Huckabee and McCain.

For the Dems I think last night was semi-counter productive for anyone rooting for a close race the rest of the way.  I think that an Obama narrow victory would have facilitated that outcome the best.  Now, I'm fearful that Clinton will start to pull away again.  Hopefully independents and some Obama Democrats in NH just became too lax, noting the 11 pt lead Obama had two days ago and either didn't vote or threw their support towards McCain, thinking he needed it more.  My hope is that it will be a wake up call for them, and his supporters will come out in droves in Michigan, but I'm fearful it's Hillary's to lose once more.

[ice grillin you]

There are just as many people on the streets and in the media scared or put off by the "religious right" or "christian conservativism" as by "liberals" - if not more. 

not even close...and certainly not with people who actually vote

like i said liberal is a dirty word even amongst democratic candidates and you certainly would never catch a republican embracing liberlism in any way...where as huckabee actually touts himself as the christian candidate and bush admits he governs by his religious principles...democrats on the other hand are scared to death of saying anything remotely critical of religion or god even in how it pertains to politics...

id love to hear a real democratic candidate say i believe in god but havent been to church since my mom made me when i was 8...but really that doesnt matter as god and/or religion should have absolutely nothing to do with being president...never happen tho...instead they are always tip toeing around the issue making sure people know how religious they are while at the same time making sure they dont alienate some of the left by saying it wont help me govern

when i hear a republican say that they he/she has lots of liberal qualities but at the same time is a republican at heart then we can say liberalism and religion scare people equally...right now its not even remotely close

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

not even close...and certainly not with people who actually vote

Whose fault is that?

[ice grillin you]

the people who dont vote obviously?

i didnt say it wasnt there fault

i was just saying why obama wont win

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Declaring an Obama win an impossibility is contrarian to the core of his message of hope, though.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Karl "Satan" Rove already spinning

The first comment is worse than the article itself, too.

[ice grillin you]

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