Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Is that the next chapter of your Obama love manifesto?

[Seabiscuit36]

Cerevant scares me

[Cerevant]

Mostly, it was my response to the "teleprompter" / "all talk no substance" talking point, combined with a little "lack of experience" and "financial disaster" thrown in.

Since no one can come up with anything other than an ad hominem attack, I'll assume that it is pretty much on target.

[SD_Eagle5]

I've watched the Couric interview of Palin about 5 times and am still astonished at how retarded she came off and at this point am almost at a loss for words that she could be the VP and possibly the President. I'm also glad it was a female that did the interview.

[Phanatic]

Not a valid source but they were right somehow about Edwards...

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/

This means that Demon has a chance!!

[Father Demon]

Ha.  I could defend that post with the massive amounts of beer I ingested last night, but I won't. 

In my attempt to over-simplify things, I probably missed.  What my fingers meant were that I feel Obama isn't ready to be president - he really doesn't have any experience that tells me he is.  Yes, he gives great speeches, and he is always point on with great answers when given the time to prep for them by his staff.  But, running a country doesn't always allow for your team of smarties to get you the right answers and have great speeches or retorts written for you.  I also whole-heartedly disagree with his health care reform, which I think will lead to longer waits for medical coverage and lower quality.  Competition drives genius, and taking away the competition won't move us forward.  I disagree with his policies towards national defense.

The inexperience issue doesn't not hold true for Palin, because I'm voting for President, and not Vice President.  That's why I'll take my chances that McCain doesn't die in the next four years.

With McCain, even as he is a shell of his old self, I think he has the connections, the abilities to work the system, and the support to accomplish some things.  Not to say all his ideas are great, but it's true that something has to be done somewhere, to make changes to the way this country is run.  I just don't think Obama can measure up to the "Washingtonness" of McCain.  You can think that's a bad thing, but I think the connectivity he has in several layers of government is a good thing.  I think McCain will be able to accomplish "something" where Obama will miss.

As for issues, I 100% detest some of the Republican standard lines.  They are 100% wrong in their stances on abortion, homo-marriage, and stem cell research IMO.  But those aren't the issues I'll be voting for.  #1 is the war and national defense.  I happen to agree with the right side on this, so I'll vote towards that.  As for me personally, the tax plan with McCain saves me money over the Dem's tax plan.  Of course, that is an important issue for me.  I also think we need to "drill, baby, drill" as well as find other sources of energy.  I want more nuclear power plants dotting our landscape, in addition to solar and wind power.  I think McCain's plan will get us off foreign oil sooner than the Dem's side.  On the flip side, I disagree with funding so many social programs when the money could be spent on better things (IMO).

Neither side will have the fix-all for the economy, and I'm not sure when we'll ever have a balanced budget again.  Whoever wins will be stepping into a hornet's nest, and there isn't a quick fix.

So, in a nutshell, Obama's unreadiness, health care plan, and fiscal policy scare me more than McCain's horrible switch from "maverick" to politician trying to get elected.

Also, you are right.  I will vote Republican the majority of the time, but let the record show I voted Dem for Missouri governor last election. 

Also, let the record show, I want to rub Palin's boobies.

Also, let the record show, I will try to stop drunk posting unless I only stay in the fun threads.  But I doubt it.

[rjs246]

I knew you could do it.

[Father Demon]

I'm pretty sure I'm going to be $50 richer come November 5.

I'm convinced of that as well.  I really can't see Obama losing this thing unless it comes out that he fathered an illegitimate child with Michael Jackson.

However, I was at my son's cub-scout meeting last night (5th graders), and every single boy there was convinced McCain would win.  I suspect it's because people with a religious background, right-sided political mind are more apt to do the scout thing then a Dem, but that's me just generalizing.

[Seabiscuit36]

what i dont get about McCain suspending is campain is a month ago he admitted he was not any good with Economic issues, and said just a week ago "the basic fundamentals of our economy are strong" Now a week later he has to suspend his campaign to save that strong economy?  He sold out, and this campaign is lying thru their teeth to get votes, that scares me because what is it going to be like if he gets in office? 

[Cerevant]

Finally, some substance!

I feel Obama isn't ready to be president - he really doesn't have any experience that tells me he is.

My last post gives my reason to have confidence in his ability to lead.  We can disagree.

Yes, he gives great speeches, and he is always point on with great answers when given the time to prep for them by his staff.

Yes, his speaking style is not as smooth when he is off script, but has he said something that makes you say, "WTF was he thinking?".  The only example I can think of was the "57 states" misstatement during the primaries. 

McCain has done that several times this week.

But, running a country doesn't always allow for your team of smarties to get you the right answers and have great speeches or retorts written for you.

This campaign has shown that Obama is better at speaking off script while staying on message than McCain, Palin or Bush.  I just don't see the evidence to back up your point.

I also whole-heartedly disagree with his health care reform, which I think will lead to longer waits for medical coverage and lower quality.  Competition drives genius, and taking away the competition won't move us forward.

I concur that these are weaknesses of a single-payer health care system, but that is not what Obama is proposing.  He is pushing for subsidized private insurance, which has all the benefits of competition (on the consumer and provider sides) while spending our health care dollars more wisely.  I don't see why the Obama plan cannot be implemented without spending a penny more than we already spend on Medicare/Medicaid/Emergency subsidies.

I disagree with his policies towards national defense.

Sorry, the Bush doctrine of pre-emptive defense has been an unmitigated disaster.  Again, I don't see how these policies have reduced the threat of terrorism or done anything but harm our relationships with some of our most stalwart allies.

The inexperience issue doesn't not hold true for Palin, because I'm voting for President, and not Vice President.  That's why I'll take my chances that McCain doesn't die in the next four years.

If this is the case, wouldn't you agree that McCain's medical records are a legitimate issue for this campaign?

With McCain, even as he is a shell of his old self, I think he has the connections, the abilities to work the system, and the support to accomplish some things.

I think I've already made the case for Obama's ability to work the system, but I think this is an area where Biden - whose primary responsibility would be legislative - is the strength of this ticket.

As for issues, I 100% detest some of the Republican standard lines.

And you aren't worried about the potential for a significant shift in the political balance of the Supreme Court?

As for me personally, the tax plan with McCain saves me money over the Dem's tax plan.  Of course, that is an important issue for me.

I wish I made as much as you do.

I also think we need to "drill, baby, drill" as well as find other sources of energy.  I want more nuclear power plants dotting our landscape, in addition to solar and wind power.

I don't think drilling can solve any short term problems.  While I am generally in favor of Nuclear, the issue always is where are you going to put the things, and where are you going to dump the waste?  Do you want either in your backyard?  Green energy is the future of this country and the economy.  Not just solar and wind, but hydro, geothermal, tidal...

I think McCain's plan will get us off foreign oil sooner than the Dem's side.

When it is all said and done, I don't think there really is a difference here.

On the flip side, I disagree with funding so many social programs when the money could be spent on better things (IMO).

It is hard to address this without specifics.  I think there should be a cost-benefit analysis when considering these things...for example, the HMOs and PPOs have shown us that it is cheaper to provide preventative health care than emergency care.

Neither side will have the fix-all for the economy, and I'm not sure when we'll ever have a balanced budget again.  Whoever wins will be stepping into a hornet's nest, and there isn't a quick fix.

Yeah, but it might be a bit easier if we stop fighting two wars...or maybe ask Iraq to chip in a bit if they want us to play police force for them.

Further, the "deregulate at any cost" republican mindset needs to stop.  Savings and loans.  Oil Speculating.  Mortgage crisis.  The profits first motive of pure capitalism rewards companies and individuals for abusing the system to the detriment of the overall economy.  Deregulation has fostered a series of bubble economies which lead us to our current situation.  A fundamental change is needed.

The evidence just doesn't match the talking points.  I can't find a single issue where the evidence shows McCain is stronger than Obama.

[rjs246]

I'm pretty sure I'm going to be $50 richer come November 5.

I'm convinced of that as well.  I really can't see Obama losing this thing unless it comes out that he fathered an illegitimate child with Michael Jackson.

However, I was at my son's cub-scout meeting last night (5th graders), and every single boy there was convinced McCain would win.  I suspect it's because people with a religious background, right-sided political mind are more apt to do the scout thing then a Dem, but that's me just generalizing.

You should have seen the looks of shock on people's faces here in Boston when Bush won in '04. They had convinced themselves that the whole country thought the way they did and couldn't fathom the idea of another four years of Bush... people believe what they want to believe.

[Magical_Retard]

what i dont get about McCain suspending is campain is a month ago he admitted he was not any good with Economic issues, and said just a week ago "the basic fundamentals of our economy are strong" Now a week later he has to suspend his campaign to save that strong economy?  He sold out, and this campaign is lying thru their teeth to get votes, that scares me because what is it going to be like if he gets in office? 

every stunt he has pulled contradicts the previous one. they just keep spinning it to make it seem like its COUNTRY FIRST!

wow@ the Palin interview with Couric. that is one dumb lady. and LMAO@ Letterman ripping into McCain.

i caught the re run of the Bill Clinton interview on the daily show last night. do not have the link but it was pretty good. you listen to Obama and Bill talk and then you listen to Bush and McCain and you see such a difference in terms of intelligence.

[reese125]

what i dont get about McCain suspending is campain is a month ago he admitted he was not any good with Economic issues, and said just a week ago "the basic fundamentals of our economy are strong" Now a week later he has to suspend his campaign to save that strong economy?  He sold out, and this campaign is lying thru their teeth to get votes, that scares me because what is it going to be like if he gets in office? 

1) polls are already indicating a boost for Obama
2) Palin just completely embarrassed herself on national tv to the utmost
3) an economic meltdown that his deregulation policies contributed to
4) President Bush makes a tv annnouncement that we should all grab cans of soup head for the shelter
5) trying to be another "hero" by running to Washington to save the day, and making it look like youre ther proponent of change

joke

but personally, I would rather see some kind of change in this economic crisis than to see two farging politicians battling about foreign affairs right now. They both need to get out of their hotels and get in front of some other politicians and come up with a plan to save my friggin pension

[phattymatty]

But, running a country doesn't always allow for your team of smarties to get you the right answers and have great speeches or retorts written for you. 

Um, yes it does.  When does a president ever have to say anything without getting briefed first?

[Phanatic]

For me O'Reilly's interview of Obama convinced me that there's more then just a suit following talking points. It earned my respect whether I vote for him or not.

I think in my political voting awareness that has always been a key factor for me. Who is just following the party line and hitting the talking points and who is actually talking. The main reason I liked McCain over Bush back in 2000 was that he could string complete thoughts and sentances together and didn't just hit his talking points. He made sense in the debates back then. I'm still bitter about Bush getting the nomination.

So far as I look at the issues I don't see a lot of differences. Both candidates are giving tax cuts. Both candidates support drilling (now), nuclear power. and alternate fuel initiatives. Despite perceived differences in foreign policy I think they're a lot closer then people think they are.

They're both respected worldwide as well. We like to paint the picture in certain ways bit this is a lot closer then folks really think it is. I'm leaning one way over the other but I'd like to catch some of the debates and see if there's any substance from either of them. I won't hold my breath though.