Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Diomedes]

So far we have two snide comments and nothing of substance from you.  I think I'm correct.

Of course you're right.   Nothing of substance.

[Phanatic]

Isn't one of the pretexts of a good abortion debate revolve around the fact that early pregnancy isn't life or something like that? I thought pro lifers didn't think abortion was truly killing or murder.

World's a complicated place. I'd love there to be sunshine and flowers around every corner and no abortion would be necessary, however society couldn't handle the surge in riff raff a blanket abortion ban would cause. You really want to eliminate abortion attack the causes.

All the things needed to compensate for things like abortion bans have the funding cut by the same yahoos that want a blanket ban. American party politics makes no sense on so many issues...

For the record I don't think "Pro-Life" or "Pro Choice" are really very realistic. They're just caricatures we use to avoid discussing the real problems...

[Butchers Bill]

Making abortion illegal makes about as much sense as making alcohol illegal in the 1920's, and weed today.  All you are going to do is force it underground.

Late-term abortions are infantcide and should be banned, but the morning after pill and abortions that are not late-term should continue to be legal.

[rjs246]

I was staunchly Pro-Life until I realized just how many children are born to families that have no business having kids...

"Aborting" or killing unwanted fetuses/babies is the least of our problems.  Eat shtein, all of you.

I feel like this is a realist's point of view.

LOL at the value of human life.  Are you fargin' serious?  What unmitigated arrogance. 

This is basically my outlook. Life, in all of its forms, is an accident of science. To value the 'life' of an animal who's cells have not yet finished forming into a conscious being, over the life of the people that accidentally spawned it, no matter how unwanted it is, is the height of naiveté.

Bringing another screaming, sucking, using, unwanted life into the world is far more appalling to me than abortion.

Then again, I don't think anyone is setting their moral compass by me...

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Making abortion illegal makes about as much sense as making alcohol illegal in the 1920's, and weed today.  All you are going to do is force it underground.

Late-term abortions are infantcide and should be banned, but the morning after pill and abortions that are not late-term should continue to be legal.

Yep.  At some point even the extreme moralistas (no, I'm not confusing Butchers Bill with one) have to fight the battles they can win.  It's too late on abortion.  Get a clue and stop making it a make/break issue with your candidates.

[Geowhizzer]

Making abortion illegal makes about as much sense as making alcohol illegal in the 1920's, and weed today.  All you are going to do is force it underground.

Late-term abortions are infantcide and should be banned, but the morning after pill and abortions that are not late-term should continue to be legal.

Yep.  At some point even the extreme moralistas (no, I'm not confusing Butchers Bill with one) have to fight the battles they can win.  It's too late on abortion.  Get a clue and stop making it a make/break issue with your candidates.

I agree that it's not a make or break issue.  I think I said that somewhere in the beginning of this rigamarole.  I'm too old to remember fully and too lazy to look back for it at 6am.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Well, I can't fault you for having a moral compass, then.  I sometimes wish I still had one.

But seriously, it's ridiculous that abortion is still bantered about and is considered a position worth discussing.  With a war raging in Iraq and burgeoning with Iran; health care, social security, and welfare all badly in need of REAL reform; and a growing need for the government to make more money than it spends... Abortion just doesn't rate.

[ice grillin you]

the notion that the religious right is against abortion because they of their deep caring of human life is one of the biggest lies there is...its a 110% religious argument not a pro life argument...otherwise they wouldnt support the death penalty and war....lol @ "the sanctity of life"

also a big issue here is the 16 year old girl having sex...they dont give a rats ass about a fetus...its the young girl farging and now she has to pay the consequences for having sex....its why anti abortion zealouts are adamantly opposed to birth control devices...go inside the soul of the rabid anti abortionists and youll most like find an anti sex coward lurking

if these people would put 10% of the time and energy into helping prevent unwanted pregnancies as they do terrorfying them with their crys of murderer there would be far fewer abortions

[Cerevant]

What IGY said.

Another irony here is how these idiots are doing what they accuse liberals of doing: they want to make a law without paying for it.  Ok, you want abortion stopped?  Fine.  Who pays for healthcare for crack babies?  Who pays the psych bills for the abused and neglected kids?  Who is going to step up and make the cost of adoption of an unwanted child ($20k or more, plus the indignity of everyone and their brother tromping around in your private life) equal to or less than the cost of delivering a child (basically free).

*crickets*  That's what I thought.

Moral righteousness is expensive.   Don't farging talk to me about abortion unless you have adopted a child who is a different color than you.

...and don't get me started on the abstinence bullshtein...

[Phanatic]

The last two posts are spot on...

[Cerevant]

Sorry...but now you've got me going...

Sanctity of farging life...the solutions to the abortion problem are staring the fundies right in the face:

You know, if you educated kids about responsible sex and birth control, maybe...just maybe there wouldn't be so many abortions.  What's cheaper, free birth control, or caring for an unwanted child?

And if they are looking for parents to pick up the slack and adopt some of those unwanted kids, maybe they should rethink gay marriage.  I know a lesbian couple who adopted a little girl who's mother couldn't stay clean for 2 weeks in a row to get her baby back.  But you know, it is who you farg that makes all the difference.

farging fundie bullshtein.

[rjs246]

Although I appreciate Cerevant's financial take on the subject, the real thing that gets me about 'pro-lifers' is this

the notion that the religious right is against abortion because they of their deep caring of human life is one of the biggest lies there is...

More wars have been fought and more lives taken in the name of religion than any other cause. For Christians to get all high and mighty about 'killing' something that hasn't been born and isn't even capable of thought yet is the height of hypocrisy.

[ice grillin you]

if it was a 'sanctity of life" issue then why arent they demanding that the govt interfere wholesale rather than piecemeal....for instance why not pass a law making organ donation mandatory...and a law making blood kidney liver (you dont need the whole thing ya know?) and bone marrow donation mandatory

the simple answer is that it doesnt help them control womens bodies

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

...and don't get me started on the abstinence bullshtein...

Please, get started.  This is just starting to get fun!

[MDS]

i love abortion, it brings out the best in everyone.