Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

If you're going to publish one major candidate's writings, you should publish the other's.

Well, if you're concerned about the appearance of being fair, that would be wise.  That doesn't seem to be a primary concern of theirs (and never has been).

[ATV]

committing a very, very large crime

Subjective. The judicial system ruled otherwise.

[Rome]

Why should a President be maxed out at 2 terms, but Congressmen have no limits?

They shouldn't.  There should be term limits on all constitutionally elected officers regardless of which branch of government they serve.

[fansince61]

liberal they are not

[fansince61]

Why should a President be maxed out at 2 terms, but Congressmen have no limits?

Congressmen will never have term limits!  THEY LIKE IT THERE VERY MUCH

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

committing a very, very large crime

Subjective. The judicial system ruled otherwise.

I'm just simply saying that IGY's assertion that everyone gets and/or deserves a second chance after making a very, very large mistake or committing a very, very large crime is ridiculous.

Try context, douche.  I wasn't even specifically talking about Kennedy.  That said, thanks for pointing out that our judicial system has its own problems.  One person commits murder and has no responsibility for it.  Another probably commits it beyond all reasonable doubt and gets life in prison or the death penalty.

Regardless, it's clear.  Not EVERYONE deserves or gets a second chance.

[ice grillin you]

If you're going to publish one major candidate's writings, you should publish the other's.

Well, if you're concerned about the appearance of being fair, that would be wise.  That doesn't seem to be a primary concern of theirs (and never has been).

op ed sections have no responsibility or duty to be fair

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

clearly

[Diomedes]

The Times wants a piece that states McCain's case, with some kind of new policy discussion, or something of the like, not a point by point, letter-to-the-editor rebuttal of Obama's piece.

Clearly, McCain and his camp are too stupid to write an appropriate piece. 

People bitch and moan about the media shoveling nothing but rhetoric at us, and here the Times is trying NOT to do that.  They got a piece from Obama laying out specifics, meat on the bone ideas.  It's only fair to expect the same from the old man.

[Diomedes]

gramps thinks Iraq and Pakistan share a border...you know, Reagan showed clear signs of Alzheimers as acting president...does McCain suffer too?  Or did he just never know?

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/mccain-warns-of-hard-struggle-on-the-iraq-pakistan-border/

and his last soundbyte about Obama saying he would "attack Pakistan," is hilarious.  Obama said he would attack Al Queda in Pakistan if he had intel that Osama was there, etc.  It's a lame effort to smear Obama for taking the kind of bold stance that a president should.  We all know damn well that Osama is hiding in Pakistan, and also that if we can get him there no one...not even Pakistan...has a valid complaint against us doing so, unilaterally.

Bush and McCain don't really want to get Osama, so it's convenient of them to, for once, claim diplomacy is more imporant in this case.  It's to their advantage to keep the bogey man alive and well, or at least not to actually go get him themselves.

[ATV]

Regardless, it's clear.  Not EVERYONE deserves or gets a second chance.

Changing the subject.

Judicial system proved otherwise, except in the minds of conservatives. That's just a coincidence, though.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

People bitch and moan about the media shoveling nothing but rhetoric at us, and here the Times is trying NOT to do that.  They got a piece from Obama laying out specifics, meat on the bone ideas.  It's only fair to expect the same from the old man.

Naturally, no one on sees the obvious hypocrisy of all you whiners.

The press is biased.  All of it.  Everyone has an opinion, and most of them in the press are in the can for Obama.  Believe that.

Regardless, it's clear.  Not EVERYONE deserves or gets a second chance.

Changing the subject.

Judicial system proved otherwise, except in the minds of conservatives. That's just a coincidence, though.

The judicial system has only proven to be so "fair" to people with money (Kennedy, O.J.) or persecuting black guys (NY cops).

[Geowhizzer]

Regardless, it's clear.  Not EVERYONE deserves or gets a second chance.

Changing the subject.

Judicial system proved otherwise, except in the minds of conservatives. That's just a coincidence, though.

Against my better judgment, I'm jumping in here.  The judicial system proved otherwise?  A case never went to trial, even though there probably should have been one:

1.  Judge Boyle (who presided over the inquest) decided not to order the arrest of Kennedy, though Massachusetts law "permitted" him to do so.
2.  The DA decided not to press any charges.
3.  A grand jury heard four witnesses, but did not issue an indictment.

I would say that if the even happened in any other state than the Kennedy stronghold of Massachusetts, there would have at least been a trial.  Whether he have been convicted may be questionable, but the events of Chappaquiddick wbring to light questions about Kennedy's character.  Whether the death was accidental, related to alcohol, or whatever, may never be known because Kennedy refrained from contacting the authorities, then lied about being involved in the incident when first questioned.

Is Kennedy the first politician to have a smirch on his record?  Of course not.  Lots of politicos - from both parties - have been less than stellar in their character.  I agree wholeheartedly with Cerevant that term limits should be put on each house of Congress (something like four terms for the House, two for the Senate).  Make the Congress more about doing the people's business than trying to continue your career in Congress.

Now, that said, I have no blessed clue what this has to do with Obama or McCain. 

[Diomedes]

The press is biased....and most of them in the press are in the can for Obama.  Believe that.

surprise surprise we disagree

McCain gets a sweetheart deal from most of the press most of the time

he's a "maverick" in every article, despite the fact that the few tangents he's taken from the Bush Cheney line have occured when they least needed him, and he's been a consistent supporter of their central programs

he's constantly treated like a saint on account of he got tortured, which while awful, truly has no bearing on whether or not he can lead the United States of America

the guy gets more than his fair share of cream puff pieces

NYTimes did the right thing by McCain..they gave him another shot to put out something worth reading, and an added bonus..he can villify the "liberal" media while his advisors write it for him during nap time

[Geowhizzer]

Does anyone have the link for the Obama op-ed?  I'd be interested in reading it, and it may be a good piece to share with my class when discussing the election.