Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[PhillyGirl]

Just go ahead and vote for McCain as you've intended to do all along

EXACTLY

mccain could be the biggest sellout in the history of politics yet these out of control obama haters are reaching so hard to try and talk anyone they can to not vote for him...its just pathetic...is barrack perfect...of course he isnt...i myself a huge barry supporter pointed out during the primary that he isnt god and i got crucified for it by stepfords like cervent and pg...and even ff who laughably supported obama (even tho hes just as soon have him lynched as win the presidency) just because they hated hillary so much...


but the bottom line is that barry is a light at  the end of the tunnel that is the darkness of this current administration....and a light that we havent seen in a long time in politics...will this brightness shine upon all of us?...who the hell knows...but we should all take our chances on that versus the darkness that is john mccain and his carrying on of the bush legacy

No one ever said he was God. Exaggerate much? I laughed at you because all you did was talk about how this country would NEVER elect a black president...and all signs point to it happening. You thought Hillary would crush him in the primary.

[Cerevant]

i myself a huge barry supporter pointed out during the primary that he isnt god and i got crucified for it by stepfords like cervent

I contradict you when:
a) you present your predictions as absolutes, ie: "There is no way Obama gets nominated"
b) I can produce evidence that your point of view is patently wrong.

Look, you don't have to want to marry the guy to vote for him.  If he represents more of what you represent than anyone else, he's your candidate.

Exactly.  Obama's religion BS makes me ill, but he hasn't suggested anything that violates the separation of church and state (yet).  I am most excited about Obama because he is one of the few politicians who is willing to step away from the lobbyist and PAC money.  This gives him the freedom to do what he thinks is right, not what the corps have paid him to do.

Obama realizes, just as McCain has and basically every other Presidential candidate in the recent past has, that he can keep his base of solid Democrats but gain a few new voters by moving to the center during the election.

If you had read the above article, you would see that this is clearly not the case.

[Father Demon]

This is good..    I get told by Dio to vote for McCain, just as I was always going to do as if that's a bad thing and I can't open my mind.  Then, in the next sentence:

Dude's got my vote, as he has had all along

(If I misunderstood your point, my apologies)


Then, IGY:
I get called an Obama hater (which I am not), and then he portrays the two candidates as Obama the Light and McCain the Darkness.  I know this is a dumb question, but hyperbole much?

And FF, the article was about how Obama is leaning in towards the middle to try to pick up the middle vote, when history shows it failed for Gore, Kerry, and Hillary after she had a huge lead in December.

If anything, this article was a pointer to Obama to not try to be all things to all people, or he too risks flubbing this up.


EDIT:  Oh, and it was an honest question, not some bait...   Is he doing this in an attempt to do anything he can to get elected, putting his integrity and message at risk?

[rjs246]

So wait, someone on the board actually read and thoroughly comprehended the posts that were written in response to their post? Demon for President?

[General_Failure]

I wouldn't vote for him.

[Diomedes]

This is good..    I get told by Dio to vote for McCain, just as I was always going to do as if that's a bad thing and I can't open my mind.  Then, in the next sentence:

Dude's got my vote, as he has had all along

You think you've caught me accusing you of being close minded even as I don't have an open mind myself.  I can see how you get that.  I readily admit that I have never considered voting for McCain, just as you have never considered voting for Obama.  And yes, I do think it's a bad thing that you are married to McCain, but not because I consider it close-minded, rather because I think he's awful and so I think supporting him is bad.  But that's a tangent.

The central point of my post, which I think vigy understood, was that you pretend to consider Obama.  I have not pretended to consider McCain; I know who and what he is well enough and I'm not going to feign objective consideration of his candidacy.  I oppose him.

I think you pretend to consider Obama only to knock him.  phillymic does the same thing, but with somewhat less subtlety, to put it charitably.  You put on a silly paternal air of objectivity and ask "honest" questions which are in fact just poorly veiled attacks from a partisan voter.  As support for this claim, I'll add that I don't see you posting "honest" questions of this kind for your guy.  Only the opponent gets this treatment.

And really, that's fine.  You were going to vote for whatever Republican they advanced no matter what, just as I was going to vote for whatever (non Hillary) democrat they advanced.   That's the way it works.   I don't think people, even smart people, really think much or change their political opinions much at all.

But I don't like the pretending.  It's lame.  Just go ahead and get behind your man already.

[rjs246]

I like to pretend.

[Father Demon]

Very good post, but the central point is incorrect.  I am a righty - and I have stated as much.  However, both candidates scare me for separate reasons, and my vote is still open.  I'm probably 70% McCain, as I believe in the Republican agenda much more than the Democrat agenda.  But I'm still open to learn more about Obama, to see if he can move upwards in my own personal politic poll.  I think I'm very far removed from the personal agenda of Phillymic, even though I think he's fun to see a football game with.

I ask about Obama, because I know less about him and his party's positions, considering I followed the Republican primaries very closely, and the Dems not so much.  Now that it's a race of two people, I am trying to gather more info.

Untwist your panties, and realize people can be open to both sides.  It happens...



And I'll save IGY the trouble of typing out his response:

... stuff against Demon ...

EXACTLY!

or

THIS IS SPOT ON!

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Shiny happy

Holding hands?

[Father Demon]

Kumbaya, mutherfarger.

[Diomedes]

I ask about Obama, because I know less about him and his party's positions, considering I followed the Republican primaries very closely, and the Dems not so much.  Now that it's a race of two people, I am trying to gather more info.

With all due respect, I don't believe you.

...and realize people can be open to both sides.  It happens...

And this?  Well, no offense, but I think that's naive.

[Wingspan]

...and realize people can be open to both sides.  It happens...

And this?  Well, no offense, but I think that's naive.

It's not.

I am one of those open to both sides. I have no party affiliation for a reason.

As of right now...I don't know who I will be voting for. I actually probably won't decide until I am standing in the voting booth.

I abstained in 2004...meaning i voted in the local races and did not cast a vote for the presidential race.

[rjs246]

I don't really understand that. I am and always have been open to either side, but by this point in the race it is always very clear where each candidate stands. What their strengths and weaknesses are. How they are similar or different from you and your views. Not making a decision until the day of the election strikes me as extremely strange.

[Wingspan]

It has nothing to do with seeing the candidates stand..I know that's pretty much set. But I still don't know which one I trust more. Or whose goals have a more realistic chance of being accomplished, there's the issue of VP as well. There are stances that both candidates are taking that I agree with. (obviously not opposing points)

In 04...I was no fan of George Bush...but I could not stand Kerry. I couldnt, in good conscious vote for either one.

[fansince61]

It has nothing to do with seeing the candidates stand..I know that's pretty much set. But I still don't know which one I trust more. Or whose goals have a more realistic chance of being accomplished, there's the issue of VP as well. There are stances that both candidates are taking that I agree with. (obviously not opposing points)

In 04...I was no fan of George Bush...but I could not stand Kerry. I couldnt, in good conscious vote for either one.

Terrible election choices.  If I vote I may have to vote for the person who will confiscate the least amount of my money.