Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Diomedes]

...but none of those plans will really have the troops out in the next 2 years.

McCain won't have them out in 8 years, that much we know.

[Diomedes]

Childers' victory is bigger news than Clinton's

[Rome]

Clinton's triumph approached the 70 percent of the vote she gained in Arkansas, her best state to date. It came courtesy of an overwhelmingly white electorate comprised of the kinds of voters who have favored her throughout the primaries. Nearly a quarter were 60 or older, and a similar number had no education beyond high school. More than half were in families with incomes of $50,000 or less, and the former first lady was wining a whopping 69 percent of their votes.

Hahaha.  Awesome.  She's winning votes from people she wouldn't look twice at unless they were washing her car or ironing one of her double knit pantsuits.

[ATV]

If Obama gets elected we're still not out of Iraq in a 'few' months. They might have different plans for getting out but none of those plans will really have the troops out in the next 2 years.

Nope. But there will be many people like yourself who will be complaining about all the Iraqis that are getting killed after we leave - As if Iraqi's weren't being slaughtered when they were occupied.

[MDS]

there couldnt have even been 1000 people at hillarys rally speech win in wva. go away. now. bitch.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

...but none of those plans will really have the troops out in the next 2 years.

McCain won't have them out in 8 years, that much we know.

Obviously.  Clearly, it will actually be 100 years, since the Iraqis will be clinging to Allah and their guns.

[MadMarchHare]

If Obama gets elected we're still not out of Iraq in a 'few' months. They might have different plans for getting out but none of those plans will really have the troops out in the next 2 years.

Nope. But there will be many people like yourself who will be complaining about all the Iraqis that are getting killed after we leave - As if Iraqi's weren't being slaughtered when they were occupied.

Christ, that's ignorant even for you.  Yeah, the occupation is really keeping the Iraqi people safe.  I'm willing to bet that the per day average of Iraqi citizens deaths has been higher since American occupation than it was under Saddam.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I hate to defend ATV, but I think you two are actually saying the same thing.  Those in favor of "finishing the job" in Iraq will point to problems during and after the pullout of U.S. troops, even if the problems are much worse with U.S. troops there.

BTW, even Carville now admits Clinton is done.

[rjs246]

Of course he admits she's done. He's not a puppet. Clinton's victory yesterday makes my ass twitch. West farging Virginia. Kentucky's up next with the same idiotic bullshtein...

[Cerevant]

The Kentucky story will be offset by Obama's Oregon win.  Today is the last "good news" day for Hillary.  She'll take Puerto Rico too, but she'll lose Montana and South Dakota two days later.

The shift in media tone is starting to show in the national polls.  It will be important for Obama to start to pull away...

[Phanatic]

McCain won't keep the troops there for 8 years any more or less then any other candidate. The problem is getting the US out without causing some sort of full on disaster to the region. The Bush administration created an absolute nightmare with this thing and there isn't an easy way out. We're farged in that regard no matter who's president.

The current Iraqi army was caught on video after a victory putting the bodies of the Shiite militia on the hoods of their humvees and parading them around the streets. This is what you'd leave the country to at the moment. US forces are doing the best they can managing and policing an unwinnable situation. Not that they can't win it's just not a win lose scenario. I don't see any easy answers in Iraq at the moment and I haven't heard anything from any candidate that gives me comfort.

So we spend billions of tax $$$ on policing the tribes that used to be held in check by fear and intimidation and now are running wild crazy killing each other. Mix in a little foreign terrorist groups hoping to get a shot at a US soldier and there we are...

[Phanatic]

The Kentucky story will be offset by Obama's Oregon win.  Today is the last "good news" day for Hillary.  She'll take Puerto Rico too, but she'll lose Montana and South Dakota two days later.

The shift in media tone is starting to show in the national polls.  It will be important for Obama to start to pull away...

Gore beat Edwards and wasn't even running? HA!

[rjs246]

So the problem we're left with is that tribes are killing each other either way. They did it before, only the battle was more one-sided. They're doing it now under US guidance. They'll do it long after we leave. Is our military presence going to somehow force harmony upon them? Not in a million years. We made a different mess out of a mess that already existed, and I understand the urge to stick around and clean it up, but you can't polish a turd and we never should have tried.

Killing a genocidal dictator = good.
Killing a genocidal dictator for the purpose of forcing a US-friendly democratic government into power in an oil-rich part of the planet = guaranteed to cause problems.

[Phanatic]

So the problem we're left with is that tribes are killing each other either way. They did it before, only the battle was more one-sided. They're doing it now under US guidance. They'll do it long after we leave. Is our military presence going to somehow force harmony upon them? Not in a million years. We made a different mess out of a mess that already existed, and I understand the urge to stick around and clean it up, but you can't polish a turd and we never should have tried.

Killing a genocidal dictator = good.
Killing a genocidal dictator for the purpose of forcing a US-friendly democratic government into power in an oil-rich part of the planet = guaranteed to cause problems.

Agree for the most part. My point is that no politico can just leave and not clean up. Obama included.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

That doesn't stop anyone from telling the American people that to get elected.