Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[Rome]

Gun rights.  If you want to live in a state where motherfargers shoot each other or are free to walk into a church while strapped with Uzis, then great... have at it.  If you don't, move to a state where people aren't shooting each other for butting in line at the movies.   Gay marriage would be another issue, but I actually think that should be a universal right.  It won't, obviously, because, well Oklahoma, Alabama, Texas... never gonna happen unless a constitutional amendment is passed, but I'd rather live in a state where freedom in terms of civil unions is absolute.

[Munson]

No to the guns...part of the reason why gun restrictions won't work in one state is because people can just drive 15 minute down the road over to the next state legally get them easier.

That being said, I can't see a federal gun ban ever working...but regulations on buying them should definitely be federal.

[Rome]

That's bullshtein, Munson.  If you live in a state where gun ownership is severely limited or outright forbidden and the penalties for illegal ownership are severe, then keeping them out should be less of an issue.   Besides, if you wish to live in a place where guns are king, that's your right as an American.  But if you choose to live in a state where guns are forbidden, you have to abide by those laws.

And I'm saying that as a gun owner and second amendment advocate albeit with common sense limitations.

[Eagles_Legendz]

Besides, if you wish to live in a place where guns are king, that's your right as an American. 

What are you basing this on?  The answer should be more than the 2nd amendment.

[General_Failure]

The answer to your right to bear arms should be more than the Right to Bear Arms?

[ice grillin you]

yeah the amendment should be repealed.....start over and figure it out from there

this isnt 1775 anymore

[Eagles_Legendz]

The answer to your right to bear arms should be more than the Right to Bear Arms?

You have the right to own a gun.  That's not the same as the right to live in a state devoid of reasonable gun regulations.

[Diomedes]

Guns...If you don't, move to a state where people aren't shooting each other for butting in line at the movies.

Oh?  Which state fits that description?  Sweden?  And if I happen to lose the birth lottery and not have the means to move to said Utopia?  There is a greater civil right than to strap on a Glock: the right to not get shot at the farging mall.  They've figured this out everywhere else worth noting.  A re-write of the 2nd Amendment is exactly what's needed.  Had the Founding Fathers imagined even my own modest browning 9mm, that language would have been very different.

Gay marriage

Again, I come down on the Federal side.  If this is a goddamn Union, then the rights of all citizens must be guaranteed in all States.  We all know that denying Jim and Jason what we grant Steve and Nancy is un-American.  I'm not down with letting local rule decide which civil rights to enforce.

[Eagles_Legendz]

The SCOTUS is going to make the gay marriage debate irrelevant in less than five years.  It won't be a state issue and all gay marriage bans will fall.  The DOMA ruling was a precursor.

[ice grillin you]

yeah gay marriage is a civil rights issue....all men are created equal and shtein

[Rome]

Besides, if you wish to live in a place where guns are king, that's your right as an American. 

What are you basing this on?  The answer should be more than the 2nd amendment.

I was saying in a hypothetical scenario where gun rights are absolute, that would be your ideal spot.  Again, just playing devil's advocate here because almost every state has some sort of reasonable restrictions in place.  Some are more reasonable than others, though.

As for Dio's response, all I can say is if you were born in such a place and you had a revulsion to such a situation it would be up to you to get the hell out.  I mean, I hate the cold so I don't live in farging Alaska.  Same thing applies unless they start erecting border checkpoints, anyway.

[ice grillin you]

most people dont have the luxury to just up move to their location of preference in the country...im not sure that should be factored in when deciding states rights issues

[Rome]

Then they should get off their fat asses and change the places they live.  I'm so sick of people bitching and whining about how the government is ineffective or does nothing for them.  farg you.  Get off the internet and off the couch and clean up your own goddamn streets.  Don't like crime?  How about you get a citizens' watch group together to patrol the neighborhoods you live in to keep the criminals out?  Or better yet, how about you elect politicians who actually give a shtein about keeping we the people safe instead of just those with the dough to afford gated communities and private security patrols?    Don't like the fact that your food is garbage and the water you drink is foul?  Get up and do something about it and stop expecting the nanny state to do it for you.

[ice grillin you]

im not disagreeing with that but to say you need to move you family potentially across the country because you dont like your state laws is crazy......if a law is deemed important enough that people need to move out of their state then it probably should he handeled from a federal level

[Eagles_Legendz]

I don't think anything is going to happen with the gun rights issue.  It'll stay at the state level and southern states will push more aggressive pro-gun legislation to combat the boogeyman that the government is coming for their guns where progressive areas will likely push for more restriction.  So it's all likely just yelling into the wind anyway.  I'm actually a pretty big proponent of federalism on some issues.  Before I came to Alabama I was actually probably most accurately described as libertarian on most issues.  I've become considerably more liberal across the board since living down here though.