Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[phattymatty]

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[stalker]

That's fair. And I think we're seeing the first steps towards that now. My point was simply that I don't think he can overhaul goverment and fix what's broken in four or even eight forty years. He can set it on the right path if people are patient enough to understand that things take time, but I seriously doubt that 4 years from now DC will be a well oiled machine of ethical behavior. Steps in the right direction should be encouraged and applauded.

I have said repeatedly I hope that Obama is the best President the US has ever had...it's in my own self interest.  Rush Limbaugh can suck it.

That being said, I hope that someone, anyone, can limit the power of the federal government interfering with commerce and our private lives.  Ever since LBJ and the "War on Poverty" (some would argue since FDR) our civil liberties have weakened every passing year.

And they continue to erode ad infinitum. And I would argue since FDR. His incredibly devious plans were defeated, however, the culture of entitlement was put in place and this continues to be a cancer on our society today and into the foreseeable future. The only way to rid ourselves of the welfare state is to do it cold turkey. Get rid of food stamps, welfare and subsidized low income housing today. I want to keep more of my money.

[rjs246]

I want to keep more of my money.

Yes, you've made that perfectly clear. Say it a few more times. You don't want to pay for anything other than what you need to survive. Money money money. We get it.

[Butchers Bill]

I want to keep more of my money.

Yes, you've made that perfectly clear. Say it a few more times. You don't want to pay for anything other than what you need to survive. Money money money. We get it.

It's all about positioning.  I prefer to keep more of my money because I earned it AND I do not want the government obtaining too much power.  It's not about greed, its about liberty and freedom.

I am not speaking for Stalker, just for myself. 

[stalker]

I want to keep more of my money.

Yes, you've made that perfectly clear. Say it a few more times. You don't want to pay for anything other than what you need to survive. Money money money. We get it.

You couldn't be more wrong there jackoff. I want to be able to spend my money on the charities I choose to support. I can choose to be as generous as I would like to be. There are certain charities I support (I am even on the local board of two of them), and others I choose not to support. But as a group, liberals claim to be very "pro-choice" unless that choice is with regular citizens.

[SunMo]

the KKK isn't a charity

[ice grillin you]

its so easy to spot idiots like stalolololker who dont know how to manage their money and end up broke

[General_Failure]

I donate when I can to atheist groups. I don't know if they're charities, but certainly non-prophet organizations.

[SD_Eagle5]

That's fair. And I think we're seeing the first steps towards that now. My point was simply that I don't think he can overhaul goverment and fix what's broken in four or even eight forty years. He can set it on the right path if people are patient enough to understand that things take time, but I seriously doubt that 4 years from now DC will be a well oiled machine of ethical behavior. Steps in the right direction should be encouraged and applauded.

I have said repeatedly I hope that Obama is the best President the US has ever had...it's in my own self interest.  Rush Limbaugh can suck it.

That being said, I hope that someone, anyone, can limit the power of the federal government interfering with commerce and our private lives.  Ever since LBJ and the "War on Poverty" (some would argue since FDR) our civil liberties have weakened every passing year.

And they continue to erode ad infinitum. And I would argue since FDR. His incredibly devious plans were defeated, however, the culture of entitlement was put in place and this continues to be a cancer on our society today and into the foreseeable future. The only way to rid ourselves of the welfare state is to do it cold turkey. Get rid of food stamps, welfare and subsidized low income housing today. I want to keep more of my money.

Welfare however you define it is such a small piece of the puzzle that it's hardly worth mentioning. Call me Robin Hood but I'd rather money go towards helping poor people live than I would some corporate CEO that's making $120 million a year. Of course there are those that abuse the system but that shouldn't spoil it for the single mother that's trying to feed her childeren, or the guy whose just been laid off because some huge corporation whose CEO is making millions decided they needed to make cuts because of the economy. I have no problem with people getting what they've worked for but unnecessary greed has to stop at some point. And that's not even taking into consideration the trust fund babies or little Johnny Suburb whose had everything given to him his whole life and his parents paid his way through school. Ever since 2001 the gap between rich and poor has grown so drastically that it's had to stop at some point. Why is the middle class made to suffer? They've worked just as hard but have seen their wages stay the same in a vastly growing economy.

[rjs246]

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I want to keep more of my money.

Yes, you've made that perfectly clear. Say it a few more times. You don't want to pay for anything other than what you need to survive. Money money money. We get it.

It's all about positioning.  I prefer to keep more of my money because I earned it AND I do not want the government obtaining too much power.  It's not about greed, its about liberty and freedom.

I am not speaking for Stalker, just for myself.  

Look, I get this perspective. I really do. I don't want to pay for government waste or expanding government powers. But I DO want my government to take care of certain things. Roads, transportation, mail, military, firefighters and police, health services for an aging population, education. These things take money.

Government spending is inefficient to an unbelieveable degree, and I can sympathize with not wanting to encourage that, but until there is broad reform in government tax money needs to be collected to provide these things. (Things which nearly all other western countries provide at more efficient levels than this country, by the way.) Add to that the fact that we are in massive amounts of debt, and the need to get back to even is even greater. If that includes raising taxes, we need to bite the bullet and deal with it.

I'm sounding hippier and hippier with each post which isn't really me at all. I want to be able to afford to do things I want to do. I would love to pay less in taxes and have extra money to spend on beer and bacon and astroglide, but this country is in dire straights. Not only are we in a recession but we're in debt to farging China, our biggest threat globally. Something needs to give.

[rjs246]

(SD wins.)

[stalker]

its so easy to spot idiots like stalolololker who dont know how to manage their money and end up broke

Please, like that would ever happen. I have always and will always work for my money. I am sure I have been pretty smart about how I have invested so I am in no danger.

[ATV]

And they continue to erode ad infinitum. And I would argue since FDR. His incredibly devious plans were defeated, however, the culture of entitlement was put in place and this continues to be a cancer on our society today and into the foreseeable future. The only way to rid ourselves of the welfare state is to do it cold turkey. Get rid of food stamps, welfare and subsidized low income housing today. I want to keep more of my money.

Palin/Limbaugh 2012! Woot!

Slogan - "Only rich folk work for their money"

[stalker]

That's fair. And I think we're seeing the first steps towards that now. My point was simply that I don't think he can overhaul goverment and fix what's broken in four or even eight forty years. He can set it on the right path if people are patient enough to understand that things take time, but I seriously doubt that 4 years from now DC will be a well oiled machine of ethical behavior. Steps in the right direction should be encouraged and applauded.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

I have said repeatedly I hope that Obama is the best President the US has ever had...it's in my own self interest.  Rush Limbaugh can suck it.

That being said, I hope that someone, anyone, can limit the power of the federal government interfering with commerce and our private lives.  Ever since LBJ and the "War on Poverty" (some would argue since FDR) our civil liberties have weakened every passing year.

And they continue to erode ad infinitum. And I would argue since FDR. His incredibly devious plans were defeated, however, the culture of entitlement was put in place and this continues to be a cancer on our society today and into the foreseeable future. The only way to rid ourselves of the welfare state is to do it cold turkey. Get rid of food stamps, welfare and subsidized low income housing today. I want to keep more of my money.

Welfare however you define it is such a small piece of the puzzle that it's hardly worth mentioning. Call me Robin Hood but I'd rather money go towards helping poor people live than I would some corporate CEO that's making $120 million a year. Nobody should get anythingOf course there are those that abuse the system but that shouldn't spoil it for the single mother that's trying to feed her childeren, Reopen the orphanages, ...better yet, make it humiliating to have bastich children or the guy whose just been laid off because some huge corporation whose CEO is making millions decided they needed to make cuts because of the economy Unemployment is an insurance policy all workers pay in to, it's not an entitlement . I have no problem with people getting what they've worked for but unnecessary greed has to stop at some point. And that's not even taking into consideration the trust fund babies or little Johnny Suburb whose had everything given to him his whole life and his parents paid his way through school. Ever since 2001 the gap between rich and poor has grown so drastically that it's had to stop at some point. Why is the middle class made to suffer? They've worked just as hard but have seen their wages stay the same in a vastly growing economy. Invest in yourself, start a business, flat screed LCD TV's, fancy cell phones, and new cars are not important. Start a business, easy credit is the death of the middle class.

[ice grillin you]

its so easy to spot idiots like stalolololker who dont know how to manage their money and end up broke

Please, like that would ever happen. I have always and will always work for my money. I am sure I have been pretty smart about how I have invested so I am in no danger.

no one who is so obsessed with other peoples money as you could possibly have any of his own...get your own shtein straight before you worry about others