Donte' Stallworth

Started by BigSaint8050, November 07, 2006, 09:44:31 PM

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Anyway - the thing that concerns me with Stallworth is that if the Eagles really believe that Avant and Baskett are the answer at the #2 & #3 receivers, that means they think Reggie is truly a #1.  He hasn't shown that at all yet.  That's why I think having a guy like Stallworth, who is a legitimate "1-a" type guy and a great complement to Brown on the other side of the field, is so important.

They can blow sunshine up our asses about Avant & Baskett all they want, but the truth is, Stallworth and Brown together make a formidable duo.  Avant & Baskett might be decent #3's but there's no way they compare to either Brown or Stallworth.

Regardless, I just don't see why they would let a serious weapon like Donte get away when he's right there ready to be had.  If the only stumbling block is money, then work it out, already.

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Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 25, 2007, 08:11:24 PM
I want Donte to stay, but.......if he gets 5 mil a year from another team, is he worth it?  I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, just curious what everyone thinks.  Clearly, no one on the team possesses his speed, and he showed better hands than anyone else, but is he worth huge money?  Is he a game breaker worth that kind of money?

To the Eagles... yes, he's worth it.  When your alternatives are Baskett and Avant... he's worth it.  This is one of those times when possibly overpaying for a player is worth it.


Besides, if they don't resign him... then the Saints basically stole a 4th rounder from us because we won't have shtein to show for the trade.  Just like we AJ Feeley'd the Dolphins... the Saints would have essentially done the same thing to us... only we would have let a productive player go for nothing.
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ice grillin you

exactly....plan A isnt always the best course of action when you have a sufficient plan B...the eagles dont have a sufficient plan B
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bobbyinlondon

Quote from: Jerome99RIP on February 25, 2007, 08:12:00 PM
Does anyone remember off-hand what they paid T.O. when he signed?


7 yrs, 49M--his first year was 10M SB and 700K salary. His second year was due to be 3M, and he earned a 500K bonus, so it was 3.5M--the third year was due to be a 5M roster bonus and a 2.5M salary.

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They got a year of significant production out of a WR for a fourth round pick.

That's not exactly nothing.  In fact, it's a hell of a lot more than any of their WR picks have produced other than Reggie Brown.

Just saying...

MadMarchHare

So you accept that we should absolutely sign Stallworth, and move forward with Trotter, Jones (or Gocong) and Gaither (or McCoy) as out starting LBs.  No safety outside of an aging and breaking down Dawkins.  And inadequate pass rushing.  Unless the young'uns can pick up the slack.  Me, personally, if Stallworth can make megabucks (and he will, he's the best of a poor FA class), let him do it elsewhere.  If they use all their FA money resigning Stallworth, they'll need to score 30 points a game to have a decent record, which I don't see happening.  That money could be better spent on defense.
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ice grillin you

i think they will sign a veteran lb this offseason in case gocong mccoy or both cant play...but outside of that they arent going to address in FA those positions you mention until at least next year...so this year you lock up stallworth who is arguably the best FA on the market at any position...and address the other positions with draft picks and/or in FA next year
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MMH:  The defense will take a lot more than a couple of middle tier free agents to fix it.

The offense, on the other hand, the status quo would be maintained by retaining Stallworth.  So, if you're asking me if I would rather blow the entire load of available cash on Donte rather than using it elsewhere on less desirable/talented players regardless of position, the answer would be yes.

Cerevant

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 25, 2007, 10:44:49 PM
i think they will sign a veteran lb this offseason in case gocong mccoy or both cant play...

Boy, that's awfully positive of you - I would have said they will address the LB position with an UDFA...but you are right: they might still sign Emmons or Arrington.
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ice grillin you

believe it or not i think they sign a rb as well...there should be some decent #2 rb's available
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PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 26, 2007, 06:17:40 AM
believe it or not i think they sign a rb as well...

I agree.  His name is Correll Buckhalter.

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4and26

Quote from: EagleFeva on February 25, 2007, 09:48:40 PM
Quote from: MadMarchHare on February 25, 2007, 08:11:24 PM
I want Donte to stay, but.......if he gets 5 mil a year from another team, is he worth it?  I'm not trying to play devil's advocate, just curious what everyone thinks.  Clearly, no one on the team possesses his speed, and he showed better hands than anyone else, but is he worth huge money?  Is he a game breaker worth that kind of money?

To the Eagles... yes, he's worth it.  When your alternatives are Baskett and Avant... he's worth it.  This is one of those times when possibly overpaying for a player is worth it.


Besides, if they don't resign him... then the Saints basically stole a 4th rounder from us because we won't have shtein to show for the trade.  Just like we AJ Feeley'd the Dolphins... the Saints would have essentially done the same thing to us... only we would have let a productive player go for nothing.

All things considered, if he can stay healthy the Eagles have already made and investment in Stallworth and should do everything in their power to resign him.


Munson

If they could get him at 5 for 30 with a 12 million bonus or something like that, it would be perfect.


That's a lot of money for Stallworth though. Almost 7 million a year? 18 million signing bonus? How much of that will he want right now?

THe eagles only got about 9 mil to spare. That signing bonus would pretty much eliminate all cap space.
Quote from: ice grillin you on April 01, 2008, 05:10:48 PM
perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

ice grillin you

guess what you gotta pay for the best players...and it isnt as tho the eagles have been developing their own lately...or in the case of wr's ever

and who cares if it eats up most of their cap its not as tho they are gonna use the money on anything of significance this year

to me its the ultimate year to 'overpay' if youre the eagles...one of your own is the #1 FA at his position and that position happens to be a place where you will desperately need talent were you to let him go
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