Donte' Stallworth

[Munson]

Are you sure IGY you can't trade a franchised player? I thought that was one of the few concessions the NFLPA didn't get with the last CBA.

Wasn't Corey Simon on the trade block while he was franchised but nobody wanted to give up a pick because they figured he'd hit the open market?

IMO, the FO actually would go through a process just to get an extra 4th rounder. They seem to like trading up to the near-top of the 4th round recently so they can re-evaluate Saturday night and take the pick of the litter day2.  2 late 4ths can do this.

I'm not totally sure about it since the rules of the CBA changed, but I always thought that if you Franchised a player, other teams are allowed to try and sign him to a long term deal, but have to give up 2 1st round picks or somethin like that to get him. I can't remember this shtein anymore, ask Phreak or Ed, they're good with this type of stuff.

[Sgt PSN]

Are you sure IGY you can't trade a franchised player? I thought that was one of the few concessions the NFLPA didn't get with the last CBA.

Wasn't Corey Simon on the trade block while he was franchised but nobody wanted to give up a pick because they figured he'd hit the open market?

When a player is franchised, a team is required to give compensation if they sign said player.  Typically with franchised players, the compensation is a 1st round pick.  The reason no other teams tried to sign him is because they didn't want to give up the pick, especially if they had reason to believe the Eagles would remove the tag anyway. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

It's simple.

Franchised players can sign a deal with any team, but that new team has to pay the old team two first round picks.  It simply doesn't happen after a couple of busts.

More likely is that a franchised player's rights can be traded from one team to another for a lesser compensation.  The Eagles have tried with both Trotter and Simon to do this but have failed both times.

You simply don't franchise someone unless you actually want to sign them to the rich 1-year deal.  The other positive things that can happen don't happen often and have NEVER worked for the Eagles.

[Eagaholic]

Actually, there's different franchise tags. One is the "exclusive" tag in which no other team can negotiate without the owning team's permission. They have to basically pay the league average of the top 5 salaries at that position with a few other options.

A non-exclusive tag allows another team to make an offer. The original team must either match or give up the player for 2 first round picks.

There is also a transition tag which will be rarely used with the new CBA. It is the one Seattle shot itself in the foot with in loosing Steve Hutchinson.


Edit:  FFatPatt beat me to the punch there

[Sgt PSN]

Franchised players can sign a deal with any team, but that new team has to pay the old team two first round picks.  It simply doesn't happen after a couple of busts.

FF, are the 2 #1 picks mandated in the CBA?  I thought it was basically between the 2 teams to agree on how many/what type of picks are given up. 

[Dillen]

Franchised players can sign a deal with any team, but that new team has to pay the old team two first round picks.  It simply doesn't happen after a couple of busts.

FF, are the 2 #1 picks mandated in the CBA?  I thought it was basically between the 2 teams to agree on how many/what type of picks are given up. 

That's what the rule says, but the team can pretty much do whatever they want.

[ice grillin you]

and WOULD be the type of FO that would wait until day one of FA to sign a guy

i wanna see in writing where this is the case...i cant believe NO would make that kind of trade...because even if the eagles had come to terms with stallworth three months ago they would just wait until day one to announce the deal...any team would so not to give up the higher pick

IGY I'm glad you work for the Eagles, I don't know where I'd get my Eagles news if you didn't post here

thats precisely WHY you come here...because youre to clueless to figure stuff out on your own...ill trust the tea leaves that heckert banner and reid have dropped regarding stallworth way before i trust some whimsical notion you created that says the eagles are just waiting until day one of FA to magically sign stallworth

[Munson]

IGY, it's been said all over this MB and all over the place that the writing of the trade is, somewhat, as follows...If the Eagles extend Stallworth, they give up a 3rd round pick...if Stallworth hits free agency, the draft pick becomes a 4th. I'm not saying that this is 100% accurate, but it's what I've been reading around the web. A friend of mine who writes of KFFL has the same understanding of the writing of the deal. Therefore, technicallly if Donte Stallworth isn't extended by the Eagles before 12:01 on the day FA starts, he has, technically, hit free agency and the Saints get the Eagles 4th round pick.

Again, that's only what my understanding of the trade has been for the last few months based on what I've read around on the internet, in news papers, heard on ESPN, etc.

And IGY, I don't need you for my football news. I need you for your humorous "I know all" 'tude on this MB. Without it, I wouldn't get a lot of good laughs when I read this MB.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Franchised players can sign a deal with any team, but that new team has to pay the old team two first round picks.  It simply doesn't happen after a couple of busts.

FF, are the 2 #1 picks mandated in the CBA?  I thought it was basically between the 2 teams to agree on how many/what type of picks are given up. 

If the team that signs the player doesn't negotiate a lesser "fee", then the 2 1st rounders is mandated.


There are only two times that a franchise tag player has been signed away without negotiating lesser compensation:
1993 - Reggie White signed by the Packers from the Eagles
1998 - Sean Gilbert signed by the Panthers from the taterskins

[Munson]

Franchised players can sign a deal with any team, but that new team has to pay the old team two first round picks.  It simply doesn't happen after a couple of busts.

FF, are the 2 #1 picks mandated in the CBA?  I thought it was basically between the 2 teams to agree on how many/what type of picks are given up. 

If the team that signs the player doesn't negotiate a lesser "fee", then the 2 1st rounders is mandated.


There are only two times that a franchise tag player has been signed away without negotiating lesser compensation:
1993 - Reggie White signed by the Packers from the Eagles
1998 - Sean Gilbert signed by the Panthers from the taterskins

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

In the first round of the following draft, they took Lester Holmes (pick 19) and Leonard Renfro (pick 24).

Michael Strahan was taken with the 40th overall pick in that draft.

[Eagaholic]

I can think of 2 reasons why the Eagles wouldn't negotiate an agreement beforehand, then let Stallworth hit FA and re-sign and then re-sign him right away. First, you never know who might blow him with an eye-popping deal. No way I'd trust Rosenhaus there. Second, NO would probably file a grievance with the NFL for such an obvious trick and I'd bet they would win. The NFLPA would probably put also put pressure on as well for not taking the best deal.

It's not a likely scenario Rosenhaus/Stallworth would agree beforehand to a deal they don't have much to gain by and alot potentially to loose. But even if they did, I don't think it would stand.

[ice grillin you]

IGY, it's been said all over this MB and all over the place that the writing of the trade is, somewhat, as follows...If the Eagles extend Stallworth, they give up a 3rd round pick...if Stallworth hits free agency, the draft pick becomes a 4th.

im not saying its not the case but i want proof of it...sounds ridiculous to me that NO or any team would negotiate that into a trade...im sure it will be in the papers at some point as free agency approaches

[Cerevant]

IGY, it's been said all over this MB and all over the place that the writing of the trade is, somewhat, as follows...If the Eagles extend Stallworth, they give up a 3rd round pick...if Stallworth hits free agency, the draft pick becomes a 4th.

im not saying its not the case but i want proof of it...sounds ridiculous to me that NO or any team would negotiate that into a trade...im sure it will be in the papers at some point as free agency approaches

If you are so sure that the Eagles won't sign Stallworth if he reaches FA, why wouldn't the Saints be?

[ice grillin you]

because im judging my belief mostly on things that have been said by the eagles since the trade was made

whereas the saints had no idea what would happen at the time of making the trade

again that may very well have been negotiated into the trade im not saying it wasnt...but id like to see proof that it is the case...and if it is i would rasie the chances of the eagles resigning stallworth from 0% to 4%