Donte' Stallworth

SunMo · February 12, 2007, 10:39:41 AM

the only explanation is that they thought he would put them in the SB this year. and seeing how the defense played, that was gross mis-analysis

in my opinion, that's a wasted draft pick if they don't resign him.

ice grillin you · February 12, 2007, 10:42:38 AM

thats the million dollar question

my guess is that their gold standard god complex mentality told them that he would sign less with the eagles because they are so great....at some point during the season they found out from rosenhaus and stallworth that they want big money..the kind of money they can assuredly get on the open market

at that point the eagles went into spin mode and started talking him down as a player

just look at all the 'code' words and veiled shots heckert took at him in that one answer

Rome · February 12, 2007, 10:43:26 AM

I think they were hedging their bets against Baskett & Avant being complete busts (which they weren't, obviously).

Regardless, for Heckert to assert that their receiver corps will be "fine" with either one of them starting is insulting.

farging Stevie Wonder could see that without Donte, the Eagles receivers are a notch above a collection of hot garbage.

SD_Eagle5 · February 12, 2007, 12:48:22 PM

I say Stallworth re-signs. 5% because he wants to be an Eagle, 95% because no one else said he would.

Cerevant · February 12, 2007, 01:32:15 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2007, 10:34:37 AM
heckert said in that interview that he will hit free agency...and the eagles dont let players they want to keep make it to the open market...

The only defense I can give for this is that this situation is different - there is a draft pick on the line. We've seen what they do in the past, but it wouldn't shock me if they had a deal ready to sign at 12:01 on the first day of FA. Even you have said - they don't sign quality free agents except if they do it early on the first day. This might be a similar situation.

Doubt it, but that's not the point

SunMo · February 12, 2007, 01:34:54 PM

the escalation of the draft pick doesn't apply if he signs as a free agent with them?

Cerevant · February 12, 2007, 01:38:43 PM

That is my understanding.

hbionic · February 12, 2007, 01:38:49 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2007, 08:38:50 AMQ: If you lose Stallworth, will you have to go out and get another veteran?

A: "We feel the same way as before we traded for him. If we don't get him back, we think we're OK at wide receiver. Not saying we won't draft or sign somebody else, but Reggie (Brown) played really well for us, and I think Hank (Baskett) and Jason (Avant) are going to be really good. I really do. So that affects it, too. If we don't have him, I think we'll be all right."[/b]

What's fishy about that quote is that normally he says, "I think we'll be aight". He didn't say that this time. Hmm.

ice grillin you · February 12, 2007, 01:42:02 PM

The only defense I can give for this is that this situation is different - there is a draft pick on the line. We've seen what they do in the past, but it wouldn't shock me if they had a deal ready to sign at 12:01 on the first day of FA. Even you have said - they don't sign quality free agents except if they do it early on the first day. This might be a similar situation.

if they didnt own his rights i would say theres a chance the pounced on a free agent right out the gate...that is indeed their MO...but they have had since the day they traded for donte to get him extended and have not done it...that combined with heckerts comments make the chances of him being resigned less than zero % if he hits free agency and zero % they sign him before that

id like to see the numbers on players that are allowed to hit the open market and end up signing with their old team...not just eagle players i bet its a miniscule number around the whole league

Father Demon · February 12, 2007, 03:00:24 PM

Not changing my vote.

Munson · February 12, 2007, 04:59:16 PM

IGY I thinik you keep forgetting the 3rd/4th round thing. As I understand, if the Eagles extend Stallworth, as in sign him before he hits FA, then they give the Saints a 3rd rounder. Now if they let him hit FA and then sign him, they only give up a 4th rounder. That's my understanding of the deal, anyway.

I still don't think he'll resign, but I think that if he does, then the only reason why the Eagles would have waited to let him hit the open market would be to save that 3rd round draft pick, as we all know how much the Eagles FO values draft picks.

I'm assuming Stallworth isn't here next year. That means they FO would probably concentrate on getting thier other free agents signed without making any type of "splash" this year.

I hope they approach some players and ask them to restructure, like Kearse, to free up some cap space for the future.

Eagaholic · February 12, 2007, 05:15:10 PM

My guess is that this was part of the Eagles thinking - If he is too expensive to re-sign, let him walk and see if they can get a comp pick for him as a FA that left. If he was too expensive to resign, that just ups the comp pick value, probably to a 4th rounder. If so, it becomes nearly a wash with the team getting a years service out of him.

On the otherhand, if he's worth the signing in their eyes, they still control whether they want to meet his demands and if it's worth a 3rd.

Another interesting possibility might to franchise him, then try to trade him for > than the late 3rd they'd give up. They'd probably have to have Stallworth and Rosenhaus on board for this to work but it basically happened with Jevon Walker last year.

ice grillin you · February 12, 2007, 05:24:43 PM

you cant trade a franchised player

yous are way overanalyzing this...they arent resigning stallworth because he wants to much money...period

you really think the eagles wouldnt sign him because of a draft pick being one round higher...even they arent that cheap with draft picks

they made an attempt to sign him this fall and couldnt do it..they subsequently gave up and now are trying to explain why he isnt that important to the team and baskett and avant can easily replace him

Munson · February 12, 2007, 06:13:08 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on February 12, 2007, 05:24:43 PM
you cant trade a franchised player

yous are way overanalyzing this...they arent resigning stallworth because he wants to much money...period

you really think the eagles wouldnt sign him because of a draft pick being one round higher...even they arent that cheap with draft picks

they made an attempt to sign him this fall and couldnt do it..they subsequently gave up and now are trying to explain why he isnt that important to the team and baskett and avant can easily replace him

So you know for sure they tried to sign him long term this fall, and you know for sure they 100% gave up?

IGY I'm glad you work for the Eagles, I don't know where I'd get my Eagles news if you didn't post here.

And yes, the Eagles FO is cheap with thier draft picks, and WOULD be the type of FO that would wait until day one of FA to sign a guy if it meant a whole round of difference in draft picks given up. I'm not saying I think they will resign him, because I think he'll be asking for too much, but I think that strategy is something not to be put past this FO.

Eagaholic · February 12, 2007, 06:17:11 PM

Are you sure IGY you can't trade a franchised player? I thought that was one of the few concessions the NFLPA didn't get with the last CBA.

Wasn't Corey Simon on the trade block while he was franchised but nobody wanted to give up a pick because they figured he'd hit the open market?

IMO, the FO actually would go through a process just to get an extra 4th rounder. They seem to like trading up to the near-top of the 4th round recently so they can re-evaluate Saturday night and take the pick of the litter day2. 2 late 4ths can do this.

Donte' Stallworth

SD_Eagle5