GCOBB on the INT's

[MURP]

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I had told you last week how Andy Reid and Jon Gruden are coaching brothers who learned the same offensive system, the West Coast offense under the same coach, their coaching father Mike Holmgren. Well Jon Gruden tricked his brother Andy because he knows the Eagles offense as well as Andy which includes their automatics when they recognize a blitz.

When the Eagles are in a formation with both receivers flanked out to the same side, they run a double slant when they read a blitz and Donovan hits the outside receiver on the slant route. Well, Jon Gruden knew that so he told his defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin and sure as day when they saw the Eagles come out in the formation with both of the receivers flanked out to the same side, they went to a blitz and had Ronde Barber sucker the Birds.

Well, sure as day Barber was lined up on the inside receiver and he took a couple of steps like he was going to go inside with that receiver then came back outside, in the path of the ball as it was headed to the outside receiver on his slant route. The ball hit him right in the hands and he caught it in stride and away he went for an easy TD.

I don't know what happened on the other interceptions but they were remarkably similar. The two other picks were 15 to 20 yard outs, that is not a coincident. I think Gruden saw something the Eagles were doing that was giving away those deep out routes and he told Monte Kiffin and his cornerbacks and they squatted on those routes and picked those two passes off. Normally when a receiver is running up field and he gets close to a defensive back, that DB has to turn and run with the receiver. Both of Tampa's corners squatted, that's unusual because they had to have known the route the Birds were running. Were those receivers going deep they would have been wide open because the corners didn't turn and run with them. The Eagles are tipping something off and Gruden picked it up.

Yes, McNabb threw the ball but it was the Eagles offensive coaches Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweg, who were to blame. They didn't change any of their calls and automatics yet they knew there was a guy standing on the other sideline, Jon Gruden who knows their offense as well as they do. That's a lack of attention to detail and it's the reason that the city of Philadelphia is in mourning, today.

Gruden owned Reid again.   Change it up a little Big Red.  damnit. 

[ice grillin you]

this is what i tried to tell everyone on sunday...gruden owned reid...he knew he would be able to defend him and force turnovers thus he ran his offense accordingly...smash mouth no turnovers stay in the game and try to steal it at the end...textbook

and the reason he can do this is because andy will not adjust to save his life... doesnt matter the opponent...the style of game...the weaknesses or tendencies...down and distance ect....ect...

reid runs the same plays within the same game plan every single week

[Sgt PSN]

Good point by GCobb.  I never really thought of the Reid/Gruden connection when looking at this game.  I'm glad this story came out though because I had been defending Reid's game plan/play calling and that just wasn't sitting right with me.  I'm glad I can go back to bashing him a little now. 

[MURP]

If GCOBB is correct in his analysis, then that lets McNabb off the hook a lot.  Obviously the pass to LJ before the half was a bonehead move by DMAC, but the INT's were Reid coaching blunders. 

[ice grillin you]

you need less GCOBB in your life and more IGY

[MURP]

you need less GCOBB in your life and more IGY

then how do you explain your response in the blame thread?

1. donovan mcnabb
2. donovan mcnabb
3. donovan mcnabb
4. the wr's
5. andy reid

[Sgt PSN]

What's Reid's record vs Gruden now?  1-4? (including Gruden with Oak).  That said, I hope Gruden never coaches in the NFC East again......unless it's with the Eagles. 

[ice grillin you]

the thing to do now is start a real ground swell to get andy reid fired...they cant waste another year of mcnabb at this age...they need to find a coach in the mold of a gruden...it amazing what can happen when you have an actually game plan like he did today...run the ball 1000 times...short quick passes to eat up the clock and let your defense keep you in it

meanwhile andy has no game plan...he takes the game play by play...whatever is next on his card gets run regardless of down distance or time...andy can draw up individual plays but has no idea how to implement them within a game...why is he throwing a deep out after one has already been taken to the house...and its greg lewis vs ronde barber one on one....yeah mcnabb cant throw it but if you dont want a qb throwing a bad route then dont have that route in the play...i mean greg lewis against ronde barber on a 12 yard out???...are you joking

ive said before and ill say it again...i want donovan in a pro set offense with a cadillac williams type runner behind him in an eye formartion with a fullback...mcnabb cannot carry a team by himself so why put him in a west coast throw 60 times a game offense...hes not that kind of qb...

this will not happen as long as andy reid is coach of this team...its the same ole same ole and it has to stop before they are in full rebuilding mode with jimmy clausen in 2010

read the whole thread....inf act you might as well merge this thread with mine

[Father Demon]

It's easy to be right when you blame everyone.

[Sgt PSN]

you need less GCOBB in your life and more IGY

then how do you explain your response in the blame thread?

1. donovan mcnabb
2. donovan mcnabb
3. donovan mcnabb
4. the wr's
5. andy reid

1.  Donovan McNabb
2.  Donovan McNabb
3.  Andy Reid
4.  Andy Reid
5.  the wr's

[ice grillin you]

1.  Donovan McNabb
2.  Donovan McNabb
3.  Andy Reid
4.  Andy Reid
5.  the wr's

thats probably better than what i wrote

the tampa game by itself was more on mcnabb.....but there is an overall fundemental problem with the team and the offense that is ALL on reid

[PhillyGirl]

the tampa game by itself was more on mcnabb.....but there is an overall fundemental problem with the team and the offense that is ALL on reid

No, it really wasn't.

[SD_Eagle5]

Doesn't matter how well Gruden knows Reid, McNabb can't make stupid throws like that, he's not a rookie, he's a seasoned vet. And if you want to point the finger at Reid for 1 INT then fine, but when McNabb makes the same stupid throw its all on him.

[Sgt PSN]

McNabb is not free of blame for Sunday's mistakes.  He's faced Gruden as many times as Reid has in his career so he should be well aware of their tendencies on defense just as much as Gruden is aware of the Eagles tendencies on offense.  Both of Barber's interceptions looked eeriliy similar to his pick in the NFCCG.  So even though it's Andy's play call, McNabb still needs to recognize where specific players are on the field (ie: Barber).  He also needs to recognize that on a deep out, the corner isn't turning to run downfield with the reciever but it sitting on that route.  Instead of throwing it, hold the ball and scramble or take off running.  If he gets sacked, he gets sacked.  And yeah, we'll bitch about him getting sacked but I'd prefer to bitch about that than interceptions.

Also, the WR's need to do a better job reading the db's as well.  I think it was Brown who was running that deep out that got picked by Boldin.  He needs to see the DB not turning to run with him and fly right by him.  Hopefully this is something that we'll see an improvement on as the young recievers gain some experience as well as build more chemistry with McNabb. 

[ice grillin you]

agree with with both sarge and sd

id like to add that whats really amazing to me about mcnabb on the deep out is the fact that you have tons of time to recognize on that play whether your man got open...its a long time consuming route...its not a quick slant like the first int...theres no excuse to throw that one