Excerpts from New T.O. Book Released

[Wingspan]

yeah...i mean really, it's been such a smooth ride for him since draft day 99....

It hasn't.  Correct.  And he hasn't always dealt with it the way a winner should.  Also correct.

yeah well...we can't all be as perfect as internet message board critics.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I'm not saying I could do any better.  In fact, it's admirable the way he's dealt with MOST things...

But the "black-on-black" crap during Super Bowl week?  Sad.
His ability to run a hurry-up offense or make huge plays when the game's on the line?  Questionable.
The fact that he doesn't tend to take losing seriously and fails to inspire his teammates?  Infuriating.

Donovan has lacked the slight edge needed to go from good to greatness.  I'm not saying it's too late for a spark to get lit under him, because other QB's have certainly peaked even later in their careers... but it sure would be nice if he could have the raw leadership and unflappable quality already - because then the "haters" would be minimal and also have no leg to stand on.

[Geowhizzer]

The haters would still be there.  It's Philly.

[Wingspan]

But the "black-on-black" crap during Super Bowl week?  Sad.

it was a poor choice of words.

His ability to run a hurry-up offense or make huge plays when the game's on the line?  Questionable.

4th and 26
60 yard pass to greg lewis in the SB
rainy monday night vs green bay in 2003 i beleive with a pass to pinkston to win the game with 15 seconds left.
2001 when he led them from 10 points down with less that 3 minutes in 2 games in a row (dallas and pitt)

The fact that he doesn't tend to take losing seriously and fails to inspire his teammates?  Infuriating.

in reality, unless you're in the locker room...you have no way of knowing that

[rjs246]

4th and 26

That wasn't good hurry up offense, that was a desperation miracle play. 99 times out of 100 that play doesn't succeed. I don't care who the QB is.

60 yard pass to greg lewis in the SB

During possibly the slowest hurry-up offesive series ever, followed by the two worst hurry-up performances I've ever seen.

rainy monday night vs green bay in 2003 i beleive with a pass to pinkston to win the game with 15 seconds left.

One of, McNabb's only memorable last-minute game-winning drives.

2001 when he led them from 10 points down with less that 3 minutes in 2 games in a row (dallas and pitt)

That was five years ago...

I'm more apt to blame Reid for their hurry-up failures, but McNabb's last-minute resume is perilously thin.

[SunMo]

But the "black-on-black" crap during Super Bowl week?  Sad.

it was a poor choice of words.

that he REFUSES to back down from.  in fact, it's one of the few things i've ever seen him be so assertive on in his career.

[Munson]

Unless you're being paid as McNabb's shrink, please stop acting like you know what you're talking about and you know exactly what goes on inside McNabb's head.

Thank you.

Until you gain some perspective on the realities of this team, please stop telling other people what to do/think.

Piss off.

Oh, I'm sorry. This team sucks, it's doomed without TO, they weren't good before TO and they won't be good after, there is no way that getting 11+ wins for 5 years is how good this team is...IT's definately the one year of only getting 6 wins, THAT's the real Eagles....and I'll just completely ignore all the injuries.

Piss off.

[Sgt PSN]

Unless you're being paid as McNabb's shrink, please stop acting like you know what you're talking about and you know exactly what goes on inside McNabb's head.

Thank you.

Until you gain some perspective on the realities of this team, please stop telling other people what to do/think.

Piss off.

Oh, I'm sorry. This team sucks, it's doomed without TO, they weren't good before TO and they won't be good after, there is no way that getting 11+ wins for 5 years is how good this team is...IT's definately the one year of only getting 6 wins, THAT's the real Eagles....and I'll just completely ignore all the injuries.

Piss off.

I have no idea how that relates to anything rjs said. 

[Feva]

But the "black-on-black" crap during Super Bowl week?  Sad.

it was a poor choice of words.

that he REFUSES to back down from.  in fact, it's one of the few things i've ever seen him be so assertive on in his career.

C'mon... You know as well as I do that if he had backed down from that... it'd take less than 2 seconds for more haters to come out and call him soft because he "couldn't stand behind what he said".

[rjs246]

Oh, I'm sorry. This team sucks, it's doomed without TO, they weren't good before TO and they won't be good after, there is no way that getting 11+ wins for 5 years is how good this team is...IT's definately the one year of only getting 6 wins, THAT's the real Eagles....and I'll just completely ignore all the injuries.

Piss off.

Hey smart stuff, I hated TO in philly from the moment I found out he was coming to the team. Try again. Or, better yet, go away.

[Feva]

4th and 26

That wasn't good hurry up offense, that was a desperation miracle play. 99 times out of 100 that play doesn't succeed. I don't care who the QB is.

You can say the same thing about Tom Brady and the tuck rule.  No one tries to lessen what he did in that game.

60 yard pass to greg lewis in the SB

During possibly the slowest hurry-up offesive series ever, followed by the two worst hurry-up performances I've ever seen.

But you can't take away the fact that he made the play.  Besides, unless you're Peyton Manning... the HC makes the call for hurry up offense.

rainy monday night vs green bay in 2003 i beleive with a pass to pinkston to win the game with 15 seconds left.

One of, McNabb's only memorable last-minute game-winning drives.

Two games against the Giants in 2001 popped immediately into my mind... the 10-9 win on the pass to Thrash and the win that won us the East.  Remember, McNabb made that drive late to put us up by 3.  More recently... after the horrible start in KC, he brought us storming back.

2001 when he led them from 10 points down with less that 3 minutes in 2 games in a row (dallas and pitt)

That was five years ago...

I'm more apt to blame Reid for their hurry-up failures, but McNabb's last-minute resume is perilously thin.

I know it's dumb to even ask this question, but besides Tom Brady... who would you rather have?

[rjs246]

The KC game I chalk up as a fluke. More accurately, it was Reid simply calling passing plays until they worked. But I'm not really sure I give that game to McNabb. The Giants game I will definitely give to McNabb.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone fall all over themselves lauding Brady's performance in the tuck rule game. And I live in New England.

There isn't a QB that I would rather have outside of Brady. But I do believe that there are a group of 5 or so QBs in the NFL right now that fall into that second tier and they are all basically interchangeable. McNabb is firmly entrenched in that group because he can't get over that big-game hump.

[Wingspan]

ah yes...the old "if it doesnt support my arguement its a fluke" game...

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Two games against the Giants in 2001 popped immediately into my mind... the 10-9 win on the pass to Thrash and the win that won us the East.  Remember, McNabb made that drive late to put us up by 3. 

That game should have been out of reach - the Giants got stopped inside their own 10 three times and were forced to kick FG's.  I was at the game... the fans were pissed.  McNabb gets some credit, sure... but I seem to recall him getting a very short field on that last drive.

And the one later in the year (which I was also at), the only reason he was able to finish that drive was a bogus defensive holding call on the Giants.


I just can't believe any true Eagle fan would actually try to defend McNabb as a super-awesome crunch-time QB.  Next, you'll be telling us that his downfield vision and decision-making are stellar beyond all belief...

He is what he is - a very good quarterback.  But he is certainly not a great one.  Yet.

[rjs246]

ah yes...the old "if it doesnt support my arguement its a fluke" game...

Coming back from such a massive deficit is always a fluke. I'll give him credit for playing very well during the comeback if that's what you want, but were any of you honestly watching that game and thinking 'Wow, McNabb is really bringing this team back!11!'? I wasn't.