Garcia - Eagle WR's seem like clones

[ice grillin you]

forget last year

you dont honestly think the cowboys giants and skins are all substantially better than they were in 2002-2004

and that the eagles are worse?

[The BIGSTUD]

I think this is the best Eagles team since Andy's been here, and I said why in this topic earlier.

I think the rest of the division is better than 2004, but not significantly. I think last year was a bit of a mirage.

[shorebird]

you dont honestly think the cowboys giants and skins are all substantially better than they were in 2002-2004

No I don't. They've improved a little, not substantially. All three teams have improved more because of coaching than anything else. As for personel, what has either of them done? The Skins aquired Portis, sat Ramsey and aquired Burnell. The Giants drafted Manning and signed Arrington. The Cowboys dredge up Bledsoe and sign TO. Whats to get all excited about??

You knew that Parcells and Gibbs would win, but how much remains to be seen. The Giants win a mediocre NFC East and get spanked in their first game of the playoffs. That was a real good showing as to how much this division has improved, isn't it?

If the NFC East has improved so substantially, and the teams are soooo much better than in 2002, then why isn't the East putting more teams in the playoffs and winning  games in the playoffs?? Neither team in this division other than the Eagles has won anthing in the playoffs, much less even gotten' to the playoffs.

[shorebird]

And please, don't act like the Skins beating Tampa means anything.

[ice grillin you]

the eagles are right back to what they were and the rest of the division isnt any better than they were a couple years ago....i got that part

but just to be clear....this year is going to go back to eagles 11-5/12-4 and the rest of the division around .500 or below?

[rjs246]

If the NFC East has improved so substantially, and the teams are soooo much better than in 2002, then why isn't the East putting more teams in the playoffs and winning games in the playoffs??

The division put two teams in the playoffs and one of them lost to the eventual superbowl team from the NFC. Moderate personel upgrades combined with SIGNIFICANT coaching upgrades means that the division is MILES better than it was pre-2005. Claiming anything to the contrary is ridiculous.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I think it's obvious that the Eagles will win this weak division and cruise into the playoffs.

This is 2003, right?

[ice grillin you]

the division is MILES better than it was pre-2005

yeah but only because the eagles had an off year last season

[rjs246]

All's well!

[Feva]

The division put two teams in the playoffs and one of them lost to the eventual superbowl team from the NFC. Moderate personel upgrades combined with SIGNIFICANT coaching upgrades means that the division is MILES better than it was pre-2005. Claiming anything to the contrary is ridiculous.

The same can be said for 2000, 2002 and 2003.


So was 2005 really that out of the ordinary... or was the NFC East really as weak as everyone claimed it to be outside of 2004?  The division can't be that weak if its put 2 teams in the playoffs 4 out of the 6 years this decade.

[rjs246]

The same can be said for 2000, 2002 and 2003.


So was 2005 really that out of the ordinary... or was the NFC East really as weak as everyone claimed it to be outside of 2004? The division can't be that weak if its put 2 teams in the playoffs 4 out of the 6 years this decade.

An excellent point. In those seasons there was one other competetive team from the division while there were two teams that were completely terrible.

Now all four teams are competetive (as evidenced by the fact that three of them were over .500 last year and we're all speculating that the Eagles would have been two games better had certain players been healthy).

The division is better. No question.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

All's well!

Animal House.

[Feva]

The same can be said for 2000, 2002 and 2003.


So was 2005 really that out of the ordinary... or was the NFC East really as weak as everyone claimed it to be outside of 2004? The division can't be that weak if its put 2 teams in the playoffs 4 out of the 6 years this decade.

An excellent point. In those seasons there was one other competetive team from the division while there were two teams that were completely terrible.

Now all four teams are competetive (as evidenced by the fact that three of them were over .500 last year and we're all speculating that the Eagles would have been two games better had certain players been healthy).

The division is better. No question.

Yeah, I don't argue that the division isn't better all around, because anyone being honest with themselves can see that anyone in the East can finish in last just as easily as they can finish in 1st.

My only point is that the Eagles weren't taking advantage of a "weak" NFC East while they were making their NFCCG and SB runs.  2004 was the only year where one team towered over all other three.

[The BIGSTUD]

Let me preface by saying I do think the division is better than the last few years.

But the Eagles went 0-6 in the division. Why the Eagles sucked last year is up for debate. I personally think it was a combination of injuries, TO distractions, and poor defense, and was a total fluke of a year.

So, anyway, the Eagles go 0-6 in the division, so that obviously means each team in the division beat the Eagles twice. When a season prior, the Eagles go 6-0 in the division. So essentially, if the Eagles were themselves, and weren't plagued by injuries, the TO fiasco, and poor defense, the division looks a lot different.

The Giants are 9-7 instead of 11-5, the taterskins are 8-8 instead of 10-6, and the Cowboys are 7-9 instead of 9-7. Now let's just pretend the Eagles wouldn't have gone 6-0 in the division since the Cowboys smoked us. Even if we go 5-1 or 4-2 in the division, the records of the teams in the division don't look like records of contending teams.

The division has gotten better, but IMO the only team in the division that has a shot at getting to the Superbowl is the Eagles. People base this whole division is amazing BS on one year. In the NFL you are guilty until proven innocent. It takes more than one year to start a new trend. Teams and players have fluke years all the time. To me last year was a fluke year until proven otherwise. The entire division got 2 freebee wins per team because of the Eagles disaster of a season.

[rjs246]

I'll beat FF to the punch and reiterate that even if McNabb and everyone else was healthy last year, this team was not making the playoffs and was probably no better than an 8-8 team.