McNabb's Remark

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Manning = great nearly-unstoppable regular season QB, terrible playoff QB
McNabb = very good regular season QB, good early playoff QB, marginal-at-best championship/Super Bowl QB

The whole lot of you McNabb uber-homers are nuts.  I love the guy, but he definitely has a few screws loose, and the way he's wired lends itself to some very questionable on-and-off-field decisions... and sometimes it seems like he doesn't have the strength of will to win that some of the great QB's of the present and past have had.

I love the guy, and he's the best hope for the Eagles to win a Super Bowl for the next 10 years at least, but can we please not put him on some sort of ridiculous pedestal?

[The BIGSTUD]

He's not on a pedestal. I said Brady was the better QB, but McNabb is not a marginal postseason QB IMO.

He pretty much won every playoff game that we won SINGLEHANDEDLY in 2000 and 2001. Almost lead the Eagles to a huge upset over the Rams in 2001. Sure he hasn't played well in some games, but the fault is far from on McNabb's shoulders.

The Carolina game was not his fault at all. The receivers were 75% to blame and the coaches 25%. Dropped passes, bad play calls. McNabb was in a bad spot.

I will say the Tampa game had a lot to do with McNabb being at fault. He threw a costly interception, but they just got to McNabb all day. The defense swarmed him and overpowered the offensive line. Got away from a running game also when our only TD was off a running play.

As for the Superbowl. He played decently. Not terribly, not great. Some interceptions were his fault, others weren't. He still played well enough for this team to win, but it didn't happen.

[phattymatty]

If you want a QB who will be amazing during the regular season but guarantee you he'll never make it to a Superbowl every year then that's fine. Because that's the baggage that Manning comes with. He's going to choke in big games, it's pretty much a given. So when you have Manning on your team you also pretty much have the guarantee that your team will never win a Superbowl.

You have to factor in quality in the regular season with quality in playoffs.

Manning = great regular season QB, terrible playoff QB
McNabb = very good regular season QB, good playoff QB

McNabb gives you the better chance of winning games, which is the only thing that matters. Therefore McNabb is better. Otherwise you could foolishly argue that Manning is better than Brady which is so stupid it's not even worth arguing.

Manning is more accurate that Brady, they both read coverages exceptionally well, but where does Brady have the edge on Manning? Postseason and postseason only. As does McNabb. The regular season counts, but you have to factor in Manning's inability to win you a Superbowl. Do I know that Manning will NEVER win a Superbowl? No, but looking at what he's done in the past I'd say it's a very educated assumption.

You know it doesn't matter how much you change your name, we all know it's you because of the ridiculous shtein that you say. 

By your retarded logic, you're saying that the Colts will never win a Superbowl because Manning has choked in big games.  But McNabb will win a SB because he comes up big in big games?  I don't recall the Eagles winning the Super Bowl either.

[The BIGSTUD]

If you want a QB who will be amazing during the regular season but guarantee you he'll never make it to a Superbowl every year then that's fine. Because that's the baggage that Manning comes with. He's going to choke in big games, it's pretty much a given. So when you have Manning on your team you also pretty much have the guarantee that your team will never win a Superbowl.

You have to factor in quality in the regular season with quality in playoffs.

Manning = great regular season QB, terrible playoff QB
McNabb = very good regular season QB, good playoff QB

McNabb gives you the better chance of winning games, which is the only thing that matters. Therefore McNabb is better. Otherwise you could foolishly argue that Manning is better than Brady which is so stupid it's not even worth arguing.

Manning is more accurate that Brady, they both read coverages exceptionally well, but where does Brady have the edge on Manning? Postseason and postseason only. As does McNabb. The regular season counts, but you have to factor in Manning's inability to win you a Superbowl. Do I know that Manning will NEVER win a Superbowl? No, but looking at what he's done in the past I'd say it's a very educated assumption.

Except there is one pretty large mistake in your post and that is you are equating McNabb to Brady in terms of postseason success. 

I love McNabb, and he has had SOME playoff success, but to make comparisons of McNabb and Brady and saying they are better than Manning because they have experienced better fortune in the playoffs is foolish.  You can make that argument for Brady--he has the rings to back it up.  But for McNabb?  He's gotten to one more SB than Manning and didn't win.  Really, then, has he had that much more success in the postseason? 

You can say that Manning's offensive skill players have been better than McNabb, which is of course true.  However, he's also had to play NE and their defense in the playoffs repeatedly, whereas the Eagles have played a weaker NFC. 

What I will say is that I think McNabb is a borderline top 5 QB, and I'm happy to have him here, but I'm not sure I'd rather have him than Manning, and their ultimate playoff success is really not so different--certainly not different enough to warrant comparison to what Brady's accomplished.

I'm not comparing McNabb and Brady per se. I already prefaced by saying Brady is better. I know Brady is better, and I know he's accomplished more. Where the comparison comes in is showing why Brady is better than Manning, and it also leads to show why McNabb also is the better player IMO.

[phattymatty]

I'm not comparing McNabb and Brady per se. I already prefaced by saying Brady is better. I know Brady is better, and I know he's accomplished more. Where the comparison comes in is showing why Brady is better than Manning, and it also leads to show why McNabb also is the better player IMO.

So let me get this straight.  There is no arguing the fact that Brady is better than Manning because he has 3 Super Bowl rings.  But there is also no arguing the fact that McNabb is better than Manning.  Just because. 

I think I see it now.

[The BIGSTUD]

You know it doesn't matter how much you change your name, we all know it's you because of the ridiculous shtein that you say. 

By your retarded logic, you're saying that the Colts will never win a Superbowl because Manning has choked in big games.  But McNabb will win a SB because he comes up big in big games?  I don't recall the Eagles winning the Super Bowl either.

Hey at least he got to a Superbowl, and was a TD away from winning one. Which is a LOT more than Manning can say. Talk to me when Manning grows a pair and actually gets within 10 points of getting to one.

[The BIGSTUD]

I'm not comparing McNabb and Brady per se. I already prefaced by saying Brady is better. I know Brady is better, and I know he's accomplished more. Where the comparison comes in is showing why Brady is better than Manning, and it also leads to show why McNabb also is the better player IMO.

So let me get this straight.  There is no arguing the fact that Brady is better than Manning because he has 3 Super Bowl rings.  But there is also no arguing the fact that McNabb is better than Manning.  Just because. 

I think I see it now.

That's not what I said at all. McNabb has shown he can actually lead his team to a Superbowl. Talk to me when Manning does that.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

The defense finally not choking in the NFC Championship is what led the team to the Super Bowl.

McNabb played OK.

[SD_Eagle5]

The defense finally not choking in the NFC Championship is what led the team to the Super Bowl.

McNabb played OK.

I have to disagree with ya there, swirling winds, average receivers, no running game, a tough Atlanta defense, he played as well as any QB could be expected to play in such conditions.

[The BIGSTUD]

I think 17-26 2 TDs 0 INTs is pretty damn good for ice cold windy conditions.

I also don't think the defense choked in any of the games but the Tampa game. 14 points to Carolina should be enough to win the game. We scored 3 points. That was on the offense.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Yeah, but the defense played stellar against Atlanta and gave McNabb a chance, whereas they got completely housed by St. Louis, Tampa, and Carolina in the title games the three successive years, meaning McNabb basically had to press hard to have any remote chance to win... whereas the defense gave him a true opportunity against Atlanta.

McNabb deserves some credit, sure, but he also ran out of gas in the Super Bowl when the team needed him to show leadership the most.  The TD pass to Lewis was great, but he panted and moved around in slow motion for 3 1/2 to 4 minutes before making that play.... so he didn't leave enough time on the clock to score again.

Again, the true McNabb is in-between the severe homers' and the irrational haters' opinions.  It's that simple.

[The BIGSTUD]

Yeah, but the defense played stellar against Atlanta and gave McNabb a chance, whereas they got completely housed by St. Louis, Tampa, and Carolina in the title games the three successive years, meaning McNabb basically had to press hard to have any remote chance to win... whereas the defense gave him a true opportunity against Atlanta.

McNabb deserves some credit, sure, but he also ran out of gas in the Super Bowl when the team needed him to show leadership the most.  The TD pass to Lewis was great, but he panted and moved around in slow motion for 3 1/2 to 4 minutes before making that play.... so he didn't leave enough time on the clock to score again.

Again, the true McNabb is in-between the severe homers' and the irrational haters' opinions.  It's that simple.

I think the Eagles lost the Superbowl for the exact same reasons you think the Eagles lost those NFC title games. Defense. The Pats went up and down the field all day long in the second half. I don't think McNabb let the team down when it mattered most. He threw a TD at the end of the game to Greg Lewis. I assume you are talking about the gagging in the huddle which none of us knows to this day what even went down in that perspective.

McNabb said he didn't dry heave, Freddie said he did. Who the hell knows about all that crap.

I think vs Carolina the offense 100% let McNabb down, not the defense. The Eagles offense on a bad day could score at least 17 points. The receivers just dropped ball after ball after ball. That is what I call letting down your QB. Not the defense. If going into the game I told you Carolina would score just 14 points, you'd probably say the Eagles win that game.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I don't care if he was gagging or not.  I care that it was taking the team forever to get plays in and precious seconds were ticking down.  There was no sense of urgency on the sidelines and in the huddle.  It's both McNabb's fault and Reid's.

I'm just saying McNabb is not fantastically super #1 awesome in pressure situations on and off the field.

[SD_Eagle5]

The Rams offense was unbelievable that year, the D kept us in it as long as they could. Not having Hollis killed us that game.
Bucs, yes, they were bad, no doubt.
Carolina, they weren't great but holding a team to 14 points at least gives the offense a chance.
Falcons, they were good but stats aside I've always viewed that game as McNabb putting the rest of the team on his back and saying lets go.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

The Rams offense was unbelievable that year, the D kept us in it as long as they could. Not having Hollis killed us that game.
Bucs, yes, they were bad, no doubt.
Carolina, they weren't great but holding a team to 14 points at least gives the offense a chance.
Falcons, they were good but stats aside I've always viewed that game as McNabb putting the rest of the team on his back and saying lets go.

Rams - not having a healthy Troy Vincent killed us more than anything... that's why the team drafted 3 DB's in the 1st and 2nd rounds the next year

Bucs - bad all-around effort by the coaches and players... ran into a team on a hot streak and couldn't slow them down

Carolina - true, you can't really blame the D very much... you could blame McNabb pre-injury... but in general, the offensive skill position players sucked a huge one that day both due to injury and flat-out being out-played.  McNabb was doing absolutely nothing before the injury anyway.