Chris Gocong, Philadelphia Eagle

[PhillyGirl]

i'm more upset with the fact that he's from d2 & never played sam in college than the fact that he looks like an advanced trig tutor.

Division 2?

[ice grillin you]

Seriously.  Don't say the kid can't play just because he's smart and Asian.

whats asian have to do with it...im going by reids history and this is a classic pick by him that doesnt work...its matt mccoy....matt ware....billy mcmullen...sean considine...unathletic hard working solid people picks who cant play and were taken to high

he was clearly a second day pick...there were so many better people on the board that could have beentaken there its not funny

so i would say dont call it a good pick just because hes smart and asian

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

The difference is that at his level, Gocong made a ton of big plays the last two years.  A ton.

What did you think of the Westbrook pick in 2002?

[Beermonkey]

Seriously.  Don't say the kid can't play just because he's smart and Asian.

whats asian have to do with it...im going by reids history and this is a classic pick by him that doesnt work...its matt mccoy....matt ware....billy mcmullen...sean considine...unathletic hard working solid people picks who cant play and were taken to high

Unathletic? Where's that coming from?

[ice grillin you]

What did you think of the Westbrook pick in 2002?

excellent pick....but again he was an athlete with great skills....no comparison btwn him and these other guys that reid has proven time and time again that more often than not dont work

i have no problem taking people like this...you need hard working special team demons...but you dont need them on the first day

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Unathletic? Where's that coming from?

His ass, obviously.

This was right after the combine.  Saying Gocong is unathletic and looking at those numbers (three-cone, short shuttle specifically) does not compute.  The kid is obviously athletic, if nothing else:

One of the great stories of this draft process has been that of Cal-Poly's Chris Gocong. A versatile defensive lineman who played end and tackle in college, Gocong led the Division I-AA ranks with 19 sacks as a senior in 2005. Gocong will obviously be forced to make a huge transition in the NFL. He does not have the size (6-2, 264 pounds) to play inside, but he did show the speed in the 40-yard dash (4.7) and overall athleticism in the vertical jump (38½), broad jump (10-2), three-cone drill (7.03), short shuttle (4.08) and long shuttle (11.35) to be a DE/OLB-type. If nothing else, Gocong should prove to be an effective situational edge rusher in either a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme, which is why I think he's moving up to the early-Day 2 range of this year's draft class.

[ice grillin you]

you think this kid is athletic?...yeah he made plays against pop warner compettion but he has no skill set...he another high motor guy who is smart and will work hard...hes andys 'mormon' pick this year...he will be outclassed at the nfl level...belee dat

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

CAL-POLY (SAN LUIS OBISPO): MARCH 13
Only three teams were there -- the Raiders, Bengals and Ravens. The workout was led by Cincinnati linebackers coach Ricky Hunley.

Chris Gocong    DL    Gocong stood on his performance from the Combine and just did a 42-inch vertical jump and a 10-foot-5 long jump, both a little better than he did in Indianapolis. Four different teams will be sending defensive coordinators to work him out in the next month to see if he can switch from defensive lineman to a 3-4 linebacker.

Yeah, obviously unathletic.  What's your vertical, IGY?  5.5 inches?

[PhillyGirl]

The one main thing most people who have watched this kid play say is that he is extremely athletic.

From NFL.com:

SUMMARY

Gocong was a frustrating player to grade, because despite his athleticism and flashes of production, he was not a consistent impact player at Cal Poly State. He is definitely a good enough athlete, but he lacks the explosive burst off the ball to be a dangerous edge rusher. Once he gets moving, he shows quickness and can burst underneath the offensive tackle to beat him through the tackle-guard gap, and he has an explosive burst to the quarterback to sack the quarterback. He has the quickness and agility to avoid blockers in space, and he has the playing speed to chase down ball carriers in backside pursuit. He is a smart player, who does not get fooled by mis-direction plays and sniffs out screen passes very well -- and he has the quickness to get outside to break up the pass. He looks much more like a linebacker than a defensive end on film -- he lacks the bulk and strength teams want, and he can be torqued and tossed off his feet way too often at this lower level of football. Overall, teams should be hesitant to draft Gocong before the seventh round, because he is somewhat of a "tweener" and was not a dominant player at a lower level of football. However, he can make it in the NFL as a backup defensive end who contributes in all areas of the game. He would be best-suited to go to a team that plays a 3-4 defense where he could line up as a rush-linebacker -- He could eventually challenge for a starting job if he played in a 3-4 defense. His toughness, competitiveness and athleticism will make him a very good special teams player from Day 1.

STRONG POINTS

Gocong is a good athlete with the quick feet and agility to beat the tackle with a quick spin move back to the inside. He has a good burst off the block and an explosive closing burst to the quarterback -- he does a very good job of running through hits, which helps him make hard hits on the quarterback consistently. He does not hesitate to deliver hard hit to the quarterback right after the ball is thrown. He has experience rushing the passer from a three-point defensive end alignment and from a two-point linebacker stance. He does a good job of maintaining backside contain on plays away from him, and he can disrupt the pass when a quarterback rolls back to the backside that he is protecting. He does a good job of flattening out and chasing down running backs on runs away from him.

[ice grillin you]

so because he ran good in some cones means hes athletic...that combine garbage...the only reason athlete and this kid is mentioned together if because he doesnt have a position so for a DE he might appear to be athletic and because he dominated against scrubs in college...but this guy isnt turning and running with te's and hes not nearly quick enough to get around nfl caliber tackles...hopefully he will be a dominant special teamer

well have to agree to disagree on this one and see what he does in the league

[hunt]

everything i've read says he could be a decent situational pass rusher as a DE or possibly as a 3-4 OLB.
the eagles supposedly drafted him to play sam in a 4-3 system.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

so because he ran good in some cones means hes athletic...that combine garbage...the only reason athlete and this kid is mentioned together if because he doesnt have a position so for a DE he might appear to be athletic and because he dominated against scrubs in college...but this guy isnt turning and running with te's and hes not nearly quick enough to get around nfl caliber tackles...hopefully he will be a dominant special teamer

well have to agree to disagree on this one and see what he does in the league

All I'm saying is that you can complain he has no true position or might not pan out, but his athleticism is pretty much the only thing that the pundits unanimously agree he has going for him.  Saying he's *unathletic* shows not only that you formed your opinion of him by some sort of uninformed snap judgement, or that you're too pig-headed to change your mind despite obvious proof to the contrary.

[ice grillin you]

we can argue all day about whether he will be a successful pro player but you cant say he was a third rounder

the eagles took him to early.....thats not up for debate

[PhillyGirl]

All I'm saying is that you can complain he has no true position or might not pan out, but his athleticism is pretty much the only thing that the pundits unanimously agree he has going for him.  Saying he's *unathletic* shows not only that you formed your opinion of him by some sort of uninformed snap judgement, or that you're too pig-headed to change your mind despite obvious proof to the contrary.

ditto.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

the eagles took him to early.....thats not up for debate

Wrong again, Mr. Hyperbole.  The Jets were going to take him there.  If he becomes a good player for the Eagles, then they took him at the exact point they had to.  If he sucks, obviously it was too early.

Didn't they take enough guys in this draft with a "high floor" that they're allowed a pick on a guy they feel has a very high ceiling?  I think so.