Breakdown of Reids drafts

Started by MURP, April 10, 2006, 12:36:02 PM

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MURP

Updated from last year.   I dont know if anything can be deduced from this breakdown, but it's fun to look at none the less.   

Eagles have had 58 draft picks since Reid signed on as coach.  Modrak did have some say back in the day, but apparently Reid had the final call from what we have heard.  Anyway, the Modrak equation doesnt matter that much in the breakdown IMO.

Position,Number selected, percentage of total picks under Reid (rounded), players names

WR- 8 - 14 %     McMullen,  Milons, Mitchell, Pinkston, Gari Scott, Na Brown, Troy Smith, R. Brown
DE-  6 - 10%     McDougle, Green, Raheem Brock, Burgess, John Frank, Cole
RB-  6 - 10%     Tapeh, Bruce Perry, Westy, CBUCK, Thomas Hamner, Moats
G -   6 - 10%    Trey Darilek, Adrien Clarke, Jeremy Bridges, Doug Brzezinski, Welbourn, S Young
S-    5 - 9 %      JR Reed, Norman Lejeune, Michael Lewis, Damon Moore, Considine
LB-  5 -  9%      Tyreo Harrion, Quinton Caver, Barry Gardner, McCoy, Bergeron
CB-  4 - 7 %      Dexter Wynn, Lito, Sheldon, Matt Ware
OT - 4 - 7%       Shawn Andrews, Bobbie Williams, Herremans, Armstrong
DT-  4 - 7%       Corey Simon, Pernell Davis, Patterson, Marshall
QB- 3 - 5%        McNabb, Feeley, Hall
C -  3 - 5%       Dominic Furio, Scott Peters, John Romero
TE-  3 - 5 %       LJ Smith, Tony Stewart, Jed Weaver
FB-  1 -  2%       Cecil Martin
K-    0
P -   0



I find it interesting that a coach who talks about how the guys upfront are the most important parts on the team has spent 24% of his draft picks on offensive skill positions in WR's and RB's. 

ice grillin you

nice breakdown


reid is very lucky he had that 2002 draft because without that he is bucket of shtein without the bucket

lol at the wr's
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MadMarchHare

I think that analysis requires the round of drafting to be included.  Day 1 guys you expect to make the roster.  Day 2 guys you hope will make the roster.
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PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: MURP on April 10, 2006, 12:36:02 PM
I find it interesting that a coach who talks about how the guys upfront are the most important parts on the team has spent 24% of his draft picks on offensive skill positions in WR's and RB's. 

You absolutely must weight the picks at least by day, preferably by round or even overall selection number, for those percentages to have any meaning whatsoever.  Basically, the pick of Bruce Perry in the 7th round counts equally to the pick of Corey Simon in the first, etc.

MURP

nah, ill just weigh them by number of players drafted overall.   If I wanted to get that technical Id have to also factor in that only 1 RB and 2 WR's start a game while 5 Olineman and 4 Dlineman start a game. 

ice grillin you

that is true
but i think we all know where these players were picked
and over a span of seven years when you have 6 of 8 wr's be total busts you can deduce that it is not good

while perry may not be equal to simon you can flip that and say a bust like freddie mitchell cancels out two or three dominic furios

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phattymatty

I didn't realize that na brown was during the andy reid era.  that wr list is ridonkulous.  what a bunch of losers.

MDS

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PoopyfaceMcGee

Well, I'm going to do you one better, even if you can't appreciate the genius of it.

Here's my analysis...
Notes:
1.  Players taken earlier in the draft are weighted more heavily.
(ie:  Donovan McNabb was taken at #2 overall and is weighted by a factor of 2^-0.25, whereas A.J. Feeley was taken 155th overall and is weighted at 155^-0.25)
2.  Also, players taken in more recent drafts are weighted ever so slightly more heavily.  This accounts slightly for Eagles learning from mistakes or getting rid of guys they didn't like in the personnel department.  So, the 2005 draft is weighted at a full 1, but 1999 is only 0.8232, approximately.  This weighting is at a negative power factor of 0.1

So, if a player was taken 1st overall in 2005, that would be a 1, the top relevance factor.  If a player was taken 251st in 1999 (Pernell Davis), their total relevance factor is 251^-0.25*7^-0.1 = 0.2068 (approx.)

So, factoring in both the overall position in the draft in which the player was drafted and slightly how long ago he was drafted, here is the more relevant weighting of positions the Eagles have drafted:

QB - 6.9%
RB - 10.7%
WR - 14.0%
TE - 4.6%
OL - 21.2%
DE - 10.3%
DT - 8.3%
LB - 8.7%
CB - 7.3%
S - 8.0%

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MadMarchHare

Dude, you got way too much time on your hands.
Nerd.
Anyone but Reid.

Drunkmasterflex

That list of LB's is absolutely disgraceful, the WR's aren't much better but at least they have made some contribution.
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mussa

maybe since reid has been here he hasn't had the chance to utilize drafting guys upfront. it all depends on the draft class and our position int he draft right?

andrews and welbourn are prob most productive OL out of them all. simon being the only defensive lineman, with patterson, cole w/ possibilities.  mcdougle is pretty much a lost cause, he can't even get on the practice field.  thats 3 out of many up front.

for a team that needs to utilize the draft more than ever this year, i want to see some quality moves. if we can trade up for a guy who's going to make an instant impact, then do it.  i don't want to see potential players, i want impact players.  i think they will make some sort of move, but im not sure where or who, I'll leave that to you guys.  the anxiety is starting to build for this coming draft.  i think its more important this year than it has been in the past 4-5 years. 
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ice grillin you

WR - McMullen,  Milons, Mitchell, Pinkston, Gari Scott, Na Brown, Troy Smith, R. Brown - D

DE - McDougle, Green, Raheem Brock, Burgess, John Frank, Cole - C-

RB - Tapeh, Bruce Perry, Westy, CBUCK, Thomas Hamner, Moats - B

G - Shawn Andrews, Trey Darilek, Adrien Clarke, Jeremy Bridges, Doug Brzezinski, Welbourn, S Young - B-

S - JR Reed, Norman Lejeune, Michael Lewis, Damon Moore, Considine - C

LB - Tyreo Harrion, Quinton Caver, Barry Gardner, McCoy, Bergeron - F-

CB - Dexter Wynn, Lito, Sheldon, Matt Ware - B+

OT -  Bobbie Williams, Herremans, Armstrong -  C

DT-  Corey Simon, Pernell Davis, Patterson, Marshall -C+

QB-  McNabb, Feeley, Hall - A+

C -   Dominic Furio, Scott Peters, John Romero - F

TE-   LJ Smith, Tony Stewart, Jed Weaver - B

FB-   Cecil Martin - D+


FINAL GRADE C-
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: FFatPatt on April 10, 2006, 01:30:01 PM
QB - 6.9%
RB - 10.7%
WR - 14.0%
TE - 4.6%
OL - 21.2%
DE - 10.3%
DT - 8.3%
LB - 8.7%
CB - 7.3%
S - 8.0%

If you weight when the player is taken even more heavily (by a power factor of -0.35), which I am inclined to do, here are the numbers:

QB - 8.4%
RB - 10.0%
WR - 14.0%
TE - 4.3%
OL - 20.4%
DE - 10.2%
DT - 9.0%
LB - 8.6%
CB - 7.4%
S - 7.7%

By a power factor of -0.5:


QB - 11.7%
RB - 8.8%
WR - 13.8%
TE - 3.9%
OL - 19.0%
DE - 10.0%
DT - 10.3%
LB - 8.2%
CB - 7.3%
S - 6.9%

MURP

QuoteI find it interesting that a coach who talks about how the guys upfront are the most important parts on the team has spent 24% of his draft picks on offensive skill positions in WR's and RB's.



Quote from: FFatPatt on April 10, 2006, 02:28:01 PM

If you weight when the player is taken even more heavily (by a power factor of -0.35), which I am inclined to do, here are the numbers:


RB - 10.0%
WR - 14.0%


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm