2006 Philles Season Thread

Started by PhillyPhreak54, April 02, 2006, 06:00:00 PM

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Jim Salisbury - Charlie Confronts Dallas

QuoteWhat Manuel lacked in promotional flair, he made up for in red-faced moxie last night when he confronted Dallas Green near the dugout about 90 minutes before the Phillies played the Mets at Citizens Bank Park.

The Phillies had just concluded batting practice when Manuel, the current and frequently criticized manager, wagged his index finger and gave the former manager a tongue-lashing.

Green has always been known for two things in Philadelphia:

Managing the 1980 Phillies to the only World Series championship in franchise history.

And his outspokenness.

Now an adviser to general manager Pat Gillick, Green criticized Manuel's job performance during a radio interview several weeks ago. It got back to Manuel, and people close to him say he has seethed about it ever since.

Sources say that Green was "slapped on the wrist" for criticizing Manuel and that his "punishment" included staying away from the field, clubhouse and dugout, not that Green was often seen in these areas.

Before last night's game, after the gates had opened to fans, Green made a rare trip to the field to show some friends around.

It was the first time he and Manuel had seen each other since Green's critical remarks.

Green craned his neck and tried to say hello to Manuel as the skipper walked from the batting cage to the dugout. Manuel, clearly simmering, motioned for Green to step his way.

The whole thing lasted about 60 seconds and Manuel, 62, appeared to do all the talking. At one point, he angrily jabbed his index finger in front of Green, still robust at age 72. Other than that, Manuel kept his cool while delivering his message.

Green, a noted hothead, did nothing. Had the confrontation occurred in private, it might have been a different story. When Manuel finished talking, Green walked away.

Green didn't run an end around when asked about the confrontation. He didn't try to say that he and Manuel were talking about the best places to go duck hunting.

"It wasn't very friendly," Green said. "That's his style. He's got some macho to him."

What did Manuel say?

"He said he doesn't like what I said, and he doesn't like me," Green said.

He shrugged.

"I don't give a [hoot]," he said. "He's entitled to say what he wants. I'm entitled to say what I want. He got some things off his chest."

In his office moments after the quick but pointed confrontation, Manuel was more tight-lipped than Green.

"It's like I always tell you guys, if I've got something to say, I'll say it," Manuel said. "I felt like I needed to say something and I did.

"The things he said bothered me. I felt like he didn't support me or my staff."

Manuel said Green left him a voice mail several days after the critical radio interview, but he scoffed at the timing of the phone call.

"He called me at 7:15, after the game had started one night," Manuel said dismissively. "This was the first time I saw him. That's all I want to say."

Manuel was told that Green actually complimented him moments after last night's dustup, but the manager wasn't interested in hearing it.

He had to get ready for a game, and a wild-card race that the Phillies didn't seem capable of being part of when Green slammed him several weeks ago.

"I don't remember saying anything derogatory," Green said. "I don't think it's a secret we played some lousy fundamental baseball early on. That seems to have corrected itself. Right now, the intensity is good, and the game-situation baseball is good. That's what I believe in.

"This race has kind of jumped up on all of us. It's so [messed] up, anything could happen. These guys have a great opportunity and they should be proud of that. They're playing with more passion. They like each other. That's a credit to Charlie. He's made it happen.

"You've got to give Charlie credit. He's righted his team, and that's what a manager has to do."

Last night's undercard between Manuel and Green came at a time when the future of both men has been debated. Green was inducted into the team's Wall of Fame last week, an overdue honor that has left some privately wondering if he would retire or not be retained as an adviser next year.

Manuel's status has been debated since his first day on the job.

"I think Charlie will be back," Green said. "I think Pat appreciates the job he's done keeping the team together."

And what about Green's future?

"That's up to Pat," he said.

A little fire from Charlie - i like it.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: Wingspan on August 15, 2006, 11:01:12 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on August 15, 2006, 09:23:20 PM
I've never said that they have zero chance to make the playoffs, but I just think it hardly matters when the team is obviously not good enough to win a best-of-7 series against any decent team.
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 03, 2006, 03:19:33 PM
Go Phils.  Do good; don't suck.

P.S.  My prediction is that the Phils will win less than 85 games this year and miss the playoffs.

What's your point?  I'm also predicting the Eagles to go 10-6 and possibly win a first-round playoff game, but that doesn't mean I'm saying anything better or worse is completely impossible.

You're reaching.  My prediction is just that - an educated guess, and it looks damn accurate.  But not once have I said that this team has no chance whatsoever of eeking into the playoffs.

And even if they do, they'll probably do it with less than 85 wins.  So choke on it, douchebag.

mpmcgraw

Aaron Rowand's OPS this year,  .739, is now lower than Bell's OPS on the Phillies, .742. 

Oye vey why is he hitting in front of Coste?

PoopyfaceMcGee

OPS is overrated.  Just ask Jimmy Rollins.

Geowhizzer

Nunez is up to a robust .189!

Sac fly makes it 4-0.

PoopyfaceMcGee


PoopyfaceMcGee



Nevermind, Mathieson's on the hill tomorrow.


I suspect the Mets are letting the Phils win to allow a weaker team into the NL playoffs for them to beat.  Thoughts?

mpmcgraw

So the Mets are assuming that the Phils would get past the first round now?

ice grillin you

the mets just dont care....they have their eye on the prize...if the phils were within any kind of breathing distance it would be 3-0 the other way in the series right now

you saw what happened when the phils played the reds....cincy went two of three and moved on with the quickness
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 16, 2006, 09:14:28 PM
So the Mets are assuming that the Phils would get past the first round now?

Wouldn't the Mets, having the best record in the NL, automatically play the wildcard team in the first round?

Feva

Quote from: FFatPatt on August 16, 2006, 09:16:52 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 16, 2006, 09:14:28 PM
So the Mets are assuming that the Phils would get past the first round now?

Wouldn't the Mets, having the best record in the NL, automatically play the wildcard team in the first round?

That's what I thought.
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mpmcgraw

Quote from: FFatPatt on August 16, 2006, 09:16:52 PM
Quote from: mpmcgraw on August 16, 2006, 09:14:28 PM
So the Mets are assuming that the Phils would get past the first round now?

Wouldn't the Mets, having the best record in the NL, automatically play the wildcard team in the first round?
Teams in the same division cant play each other in the first round. 


PoopyfaceMcGee

So, this is really a brilliant plan.  Just to prove they are not as bad as they've been playing, they're going to put about 14 runs on Chris Mathieson tomorrow night.

Too bad the Phils will score 27 runs!!!!!!!

mpmcgraw

The Phillies do not have a Chris Mathieson.  Christ.  :-D

Geowhizzer

That Christy Mathieson was a great pitcher...  :paranoid