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Phanatic

QuoteWhen police eventually located Hans Reiser's Honda CRX a few miles from his home, they found the interior waterlogged, the passenger seat missing, and two books on police murder investigations inside. They also found a sleeping-bag cover stained with a 6-inch wide blotch of Nina's dried blood. Reiser later testified that the couple had sex in the sleeping bag on a camping trip prior to their 2004 separation.

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phattymatty

Quote from: Phanatic on April 29, 2008, 10:36:50 AM
QuoteWhen police eventually located Hans Reiser's Honda CRX a few miles from his home, they found the interior waterlogged, the passenger seat missing, and two books on police murder investigations inside. They also found a sleeping-bag cover stained with a 6-inch wide blotch of Nina's dried blood. Reiser later testified that the couple had sex in the sleeping bag on a camping trip prior to their 2004 separation.

granted, i don't know anything about the dude, and from the comments that the judge and jury made apparently he's ignorant and rude to everyone, but his excuses seemed semi-seasonable to me.  enough to not make him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

BigEd76


Cerevant

I think he did it too, but that's not the point.

There's a difference between the "gut feeling" that he did it, and having a logical argument supported by evidence.  Ever notice that "lady justice" wears a blindfold?  The fact that the judge said that he was rude and arrogant - just toss his credibility out the window.  If I had to guess, Reiser had some form of Aspergers - he is well known for his arrogance and complete absence of any social grace.  If he were innocent, I wouldn't be shocked to find out that he constructed some of his arguments about the circumstantial evidence with the assumption that he could out-think the judge and jury.

None of that is relevant.  The prosecution could not even create a compelling argument that the woman was dead.  The concept of trail by a jury of your peers would work better if the jury were made of one's actual peers - rather than the lowest common denominator.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

Sgt PSN

Quote from: Phanatic on April 29, 2008, 10:35:42 AM
Quote from: Cerevant on April 29, 2008, 08:41:57 AM
Hans Reiser convicted of 1st degree murder.

  • No body
  • No weapon
  • Almost no physical evidence
  • Victim's lover has confessed to 8 murders
  • Prosecutor suggests that Reiser choked his wife, while the only physical evidence was blood

God bless America.

I don't know. After reading that I think they got it right...

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In a characteristic exchange under cross-examination, Reiser tried to explain why he'd removed and discarded the passenger seat from his two-seater Honda CRX after Nina vanished. His explanation: He'd been sleeping in the vehicle, and wanted the extra room. Asked why he hosed down the inside of the car, leaving an inch of water on the floorboard, he explained that the interior was dirty, and he mistakenly believed the water would drain out.

"I just assumed that every car engineer would put a hole in the car," he said.

"Don't you remember sleeping on a nice, soft, wet carpet?" Hora went on to ask.

Reiser replied, "I don't remember."

By the time he was done, Reiser had succeeded only in dispelling the cloud of ambiguity surrounding his actions in the case, replacing it with a storm of very specific explanations that each strained credulity. Jurors had to choose between Reiser's strained version of events and the plain conclusion that he was lying.

Nina Reiser, then 31, was last seen September 3, 2006, while dropping off the divorcing couple's two young children to stay with Hans for part of Labor Day weekend. Authorities believe she never left her estranged husband's house in the Oakland hills alive.

The jury farged up.  I think the dude is guilty as hell but the bottom line is that there was no solid evidence against this guy.  Nothing that could actually connect him to her murder.  Everything is speculation and circumstantial and that is not supposed to be enough to convict a person in this country. 

On the flip side though, how many times do criminals get off on some stupid legal technicality?  Happens all the time.  So maybe this is just the law of averages playing out.....or something like that. 

phattymatty


Phanatic

We are still tried by our peers and his testimony was laughable...
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Cerevant

QuoteMain Entry:
    1 - peer
Pronunciation:
    \ˈpir\
Function:
    noun
Etymology:
    Middle English, from Anglo-French per, from per, adjective, equal, from Latin par
Date:
    13th century

1: one that is of equal standing with another : equal; especially : one belonging to the same societal group especially based on age, grade, or status

A jury of his peers would have been made of engineers, scientists, professionals...basically the type of people the eliminate first when doing jury selection.
An ad hominem fallacy consists of asserting that someone's argument is wrong and/or he is wrong to argue at all purely because of something discreditable/not-authoritative about the person or those persons cited by him rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself.

phattymatty

Earlier today, while talking to a client about her policy, I accidentally said "I'm pro rape" instead of "I'll pro-rate your account". She tried to ignore the slip up, unfortunately I complicated matters by gagging her with my necktie and repeatedly raping her. Sometimes I think I must not care about Geico shareholder value at all.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: phattymatty on April 29, 2008, 12:15:41 PM
today is free cone day at ben and jerry's

This is much more important than whining about some killer's conviction.

PhillyGirl

"Oh, yeah. They'll still boo. They have to. They're born to boo. Just now, they'll only boo with two Os instead of like four." - Larry Andersen

Susquehanna Birder

Looks like a match made in hea...well, in Pissburgh.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Everything you never wanted to know about Eliot Spitzer's sex habits

QuoteShe expanded on the portrait of Spitzer's sexual fetishes in graphic detail, the sources said, also divulging that he had a penchant for props.

Sources said the second hooker also noted that Spitzer liked to keep his socks on during sex - a claim previously made by Republican political operative Roger Stone.

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