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Re: the random musings not worthy of new thread thread
« Reply #30435 on: September 29, 2020, 02:52:55 PM »

Can we split the country up? I almost don't care where we go as long as they don't get the nukes and the border is closed.  I want OUT of this shtein hole country.
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Re: the random musings not worthy of new thread thread
« Reply #30437 on: October 14, 2020, 03:50:14 PM »

Okay, so I meet a new neighbor.  He introduces himself as "Donnie."  We have some common reason to be in touch, so he texts me to establish contact info exchange, etc.

The message I get says "Hi Diomedes, this is Donnie ("they/them" pronouns if you don't mind, but no big deal.)  Following up on ...."

Uh...what?  I'm pretty open minded and I get that people have gender identity issues, and that's fine.  But I guess I don't really get it because I don't understand this request.  I will honor it of course, but it's not easy to do that, especially given that the requested pronoun is not a part of speech I associate with a single individual.   If I'm getting it right, this person wants me to, for example, tell the dispatcher: "Donnie called and he wants they want you to deliver the new trees to the corner, not the parking lot."  Or some such construction.  Have I got it right? 

That sounds awful to me, and could be confusing.  Dispatcher would be fair to wonder, "Who is 'they,' this ticket is for Donnie.."

If any of you can confirm or correct me, I'd appreciate it.  I'm not trying to be ignorant or disrespectful.  I'd like to honor "their" request.  (Did I do that right?)
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Re: the random musings not worthy of new thread thread
« Reply #30438 on: October 14, 2020, 04:02:30 PM »

It's been a thing for a while now. Some people don't like the whole gender norms thing and want no parts of it, others just don't feel like they fit either gender. Either way, they're welcomed into the trans community. A kid I wound up being a surrogate internet-dad for used they/them for a while before coming out as trans, so now we just use he/him because that's who he is. I don't put much though into it, I just call people what they want to be called.

Your facebook grandpa likes to joke about it and call them all attack helicopters.
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Re: the random musings not worthy of new thread thread
« Reply #30439 on: October 14, 2020, 04:06:01 PM »

I don't put much though into it, I just call people what they want to be called.

Yeah but you're smarter than me.  I'll have to stop and think every time a pronoun is required for speech concerning this person, and I'm sure I'll farg it up, and sound like an ass.  I want to just comply as well because why not, but my brain gets tripped up on the singular/plural thing, so I'm def. gonna fail.  I guess the point is that I'll try.
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« Reply #30440 on: October 14, 2020, 04:29:15 PM »

Okay, so I meet a new neighbor.  He introduces himself as "Donnie."  We have some common reason to be in touch, so he texts me to establish contact info exchange, etc.

The message I get says "Hi Diomedes, this is Donnie ("they/them" pronouns if you don't mind, but no big deal.)  Following up on ...."

Uh...what?  I'm pretty open minded and I get that people have gender identity issues, and that's fine.  But I guess I don't really get it because I don't understand this request.  I will honor it of course, but it's not easy to do that, especially given that the requested pronoun is not a part of speech I associate with a single individual.   If I'm getting it right, this person wants me to, for example, tell the dispatcher: "Donnie called and he wants they want you to deliver the new trees to the corner, not the parking lot."  Or some such construction.  Have I got it right? 

That sounds awful to me, and could be confusing.  Dispatcher would be fair to wonder, "Who is 'they,' this ticket is for Donnie.."

If any of you can confirm or correct me, I'd appreciate it.  I'm not trying to be ignorant or disrespectful.  I'd like to honor "their" request.  (Did I do that right?)

This is correct. They donít want to be identified as him or her but rather as they, most likely they are gender fluid at the moment.

I think itís simple enough if thereís any confused to just say ďno itís one person but they indicated they wanted to be identified with they/them pronouns, soĒ
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perhaps you could explain sd's reasons for "disliking" it as well since you seem to be so in tune with other peoples minds

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Re: the random musings not worthy of new thread thread
« Reply #30441 on: October 14, 2020, 04:31:46 PM »

And really itíll only be a problem if youíre referring to them while in front of them. Theyíll never actually know if you accidentally mid gender them on a call like the example you used. I mean maybe youíll feel a little bad about it but what Donnie doesnít know wonít hurt them? Haha 
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Re: the random musings not worthy of new thread thread
« Reply #30442 on: October 14, 2020, 04:37:28 PM »

Interesting. I have no interest in telling people what to feel or how to be, but I also think it's kind of pushy to expect everyone to change the nature of the English language to suit a particular individual feeling at the time. I wouldn't ask anyone to do it for me, because that's not my nature. But I'd probably try to do it anyway, because, whatever.
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« Reply #30443 on: October 14, 2020, 04:43:59 PM »

And really itíll only be a problem if youíre referring to them while in front of them.

Fair point.  And I'd have to think, if I farg it up and have to correct myself, I'll probably get credit for trying.
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« Reply #30444 on: October 14, 2020, 04:46:06 PM »

...but I also think it's kind of pushy to expect everyone...

Thing is, this person doesn't seem to be expect it, then react when someone fails, but instead is openly requesting that language change, and even saying "no big deal" if I can't get the hang of it...

I don't think I'd ask people to change their language either.  Other than calling me "Your Grace," of course.
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« Reply #30445 on: October 14, 2020, 04:48:45 PM »

Well, I guess it falls into the category of "it never hurts to ask." I wouldn't bring it up personally, but that's why they make chocolate and vanilla, I suppose.
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Re: the random musings not worthy of new thread thread
« Reply #30446 on: October 14, 2020, 05:04:24 PM »

They/them was already grammatically correct for when you didn't know someone's gender, so it's not like this is out of the blue. But that's neither here nor there, language is made entirely of ever-changing fake rules anyway.
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Re: the random musings not worthy of new thread thread
« Reply #30447 on: October 16, 2020, 08:53:15 AM »

Optimistic sci-fi writers never take maliciousness or idiocy into account when writing about the future. https://twitter.com/oliviasolon/status/1316895136694083587
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« Reply #30448 on: October 16, 2020, 09:52:51 AM »

That's why most decent sci-fi is pretty dystopian.
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Re: the random musings not worthy of new thread thread
« Reply #30449 on: October 21, 2020, 11:56:26 AM »

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1318913304077733889

Yes, good. That eight million dollars will definitely go towards helping the people who had their lives destroyed by opioids.

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The Sackler family has already pledged to hand over the company itself plus at least $3 billion to resolve thousands of suits against the Stamford, Connecticut-based drugmaker. The company ó but not the family ó declared bankruptcy as a way to work out that plan, which could be worth $10 billion over time.

About half the states oppose that settlement, and also wrote Barr to ask him not to make the federal deal that includes converting Purdue into a public benefit corporation. They say it would be wrong for governments to rely on earnings from the sale of more OxyContin to fund programs to mitigate the toll of an opioid crisis wrought by prescription drugs as well as heroin and illicitly produced fentanyl.
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