Whats' the Right Move?

[The BIGSTUD]

If we can't get Walker or Moulds, I think we should draft a receiver in the 2nd round. I really would prefer not to because if we don't sign a SAM or an OL, then we will need to take one of those in the 2nd round, but I really would like to have 3 young receivers with potential that can grow with Donovan. Like Brown, Hagan, Gaffney. Right there are 3 really young receivers that could all keep getting better.

[Father Demon]

Imagine him goin after Reid like he went after Gruden....

IMHO, Reid SHOULD be "gone after" by someone. This team needs a kick in the pants. Wherever Keyshawn ends up, he'll blow the doors off every reciever on the Eagles. Except maybe Brown, who I think might be the story of the year this season.

Get Keyshawn.

I've been thinking about this pretty much since the Cowboys cut Keyshawn loose trying to decide whether or not I'd want the Eagles to bring him in or not.  He is the best reciever available at this very moment and would be a significant improvement over anyone the Eagles have.  And even though he isn't a game breaking reciever like TO was, he is a #1 reciever.  Is he worth the money he's looking for?  No, but are any of the other recievers who signed big deals this year worth the money they're getting?  I'd much rather see the Eagles spend that type of money on Meshawn than Randle El or Givens. 

Meshawn
Brown
Gaffney
Lewis

That aint too bad. 

Of course, if Moulds or Walker were to become available then I'd take them in a heartbeat over Johnson.  But if he's the best the Eagles can get then he's definately better than nothing. 

I've been thinking this over myself, and I gotta agree with Sarge.  If Brown doesn't go off this season, the eagles are sunk without a gamebreaking WR.  Hate 81 as much as you want, but the dude breaks games.  KJ is what -- 34?  That's old, but he still has more skill than any current FA or possibly available in the draft after the Eagles fill thier Defensive needs.  I would take a flyer on KJ, and I don't give a shtein what they pay him.  Ain't my money.

[Father Demon]

Darryl Tapp will not be there in the 3rd round, MURP.  He was too good against D'Brick in the Senior Bowl to fall that far.  If he fell to the Eagles' pick in the 2nd, it would be a mild miracle.

I agree pretty much with Phreak and MURP, though.  The Eagles almost have to take Ngata or Bunkley now IMO... and the problem is that both of them may be off the board.  Because of the huge question marks the Eagles have in the middle of the DL, I'm actually starting to lean towards the idea of Ngata, but he'll be long gone by 14.

Runyan must be re-signed now.

And yes, I hope they're not done at SAM LB and WR.

And that matters why? You think the Eagles wouldn't trade up to draft one?

This is probabkly covered somewhere else on this board, but if the Eagles don'ttrade up, I don't think they will get either. 

Assuming the Eagles don't trade up, and assuming the Eagles don't get Ngata or Bunkley, who do they go after?  Do they trade down?  Justice will likely still be available, but is 14 a little too high for him?  Will L. White still be there?  Do you grab him, even if the most pressing need is Dl and OL?

This is why I'm glad I'm merely a fan, and not some guy who has to do this for a living.....

[The BIGSTUD]

Gabe Watson is a stud DT that will be there.

[Sgt PSN]

I disagree about Keyshawn being a #1 receiver. To be a #1 receiver in this league you need to have SOME breakaway ability. Keyshawn has none. He is a possession receiver by every sense of the word. He catches the ball across the middle and goes right to the turf. I think he is way past his prime and even in his prime he wasn't all that great. This team could use a possession receiver, so for that reason and that reason alone I'd take a look, but he may not even be better than Gaffney at this point. At least Gaffney being young and previously playing with a bad offense could surprise us and come in and catch 60 balls for 850 yards.

He is a #1 reciever.  Always has been throughout his career and never had break away speed.  There are plenty of guys out there with break away speed but that doesn't make them a #1 reciever.  KJ does have good "football" speed much like Emmitt Smith did.  Emmitt was never considered a fast runningback but that didn't stop him from being one of the best in the game.  Keyshawn's got excellent hands, a big body and good routes.  The WCO is based more on that then speed.  I'm not a big Keyshawn fan but he's going to be far less disruptive than TO and he's going to get 80+ catches and his size will still let him be a nice target in the endzone too.  So if the Eagles decided to bring him in you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me. 

[Father Demon]

I disagree about Keyshawn being a #1 receiver. To be a #1 receiver in this league you need to have SOME breakaway ability. Keyshawn has none. He is a possession receiver by every sense of the word. He catches the ball across the middle and goes right to the turf. I think he is way past his prime and even in his prime he wasn't all that great. This team could use a possession receiver, so for that reason and that reason alone I'd take a look, but he may not even be better than Gaffney at this point. At least Gaffney being young and previously playing with a bad offense could surprise us and come in and catch 60 balls for 850 yards.

He is a #1 reciever.  Always has been throughout his career and never had break away speed.  There are plenty of guys out there with break away speed but that doesn't make them a #1 reciever.  KJ does have good "football" speed much like Emmitt Smith did.  Emmitt was never considered a fast runningback but that didn't stop him from being one of the best in the game.  Keyshawn's got excellent hands, a big body and good routes.  The WCO is based more on that then speed.  I'm not a big Keyshawn fan but he's going to be far less disruptive than TO and he's going to get 80+ catches and his size will still let him be a nice target in the endzone too.  So if the Eagles decided to bring him in you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me. 

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[The BIGSTUD]

I disagree about Keyshawn being a #1 receiver. To be a #1 receiver in this league you need to have SOME breakaway ability. Keyshawn has none. He is a possession receiver by every sense of the word. He catches the ball across the middle and goes right to the turf. I think he is way past his prime and even in his prime he wasn't all that great. This team could use a possession receiver, so for that reason and that reason alone I'd take a look, but he may not even be better than Gaffney at this point. At least Gaffney being young and previously playing with a bad offense could surprise us and come in and catch 60 balls for 850 yards.

He is a #1 reciever.  Always has been throughout his career and never had break away speed.  There are plenty of guys out there with break away speed but that doesn't make them a #1 reciever.  KJ does have good "football" speed much like Emmitt Smith did.  Emmitt was never considered a fast runningback but that didn't stop him from being one of the best in the game.  Keyshawn's got excellent hands, a big body and good routes.  The WCO is based more on that then speed.  I'm not a big Keyshawn fan but he's going to be far less disruptive than TO and he's going to get 80+ catches and his size will still let him be a nice target in the endzone too.  So if the Eagles decided to bring him in you wouldn't hear any complaints out of me. 

I don't think he'll get 80+ catches. He hasn't done that is like 5 years. If he was brought in  I wouldn't complain either, but I completely disagree about him being a #1 receiver. If he is the best receiver on your roster, then you are in huge trouble. Terry Glenn was the #1 last year.

[Sgt PSN]

I don't think he'll get 80+ catches. He hasn't done that is like 5 years. If he was brought in I wouldn't complain either

He's topped 70 catches 3 out of the last 4 years (45 in 2003 after 10 games) so I think 80 catches in the Eagles pass happy offense would be a strong possibility.

but I completely disagree about him being a #1 receiver. If he is the best receiver on your roster, then you are in huge trouble. Terry Glenn was the #1 last year.

I did a google search for "2005 Dallas Cowboys Depth Chart" and this was the only thing that came up but it does list him as the #1. 

Of course, we're pretty much arguing semantics on that one though.   

[PhillyPhreak54]

Keyshawn is a #1 on the depth chart.

Keyshawn is NOT a #1 in the sense that he is a stud receiver.

As stated before - he is a possession receiver. He's 34 years old and said he wouldn't play for $2.5M.

He's been in the league for 10 years (4 in NY, 4 in TB and 2 in DAL) and has 744 catches and 60 TDs.

60 TDs in 10 years as a #1 WR isn't exactly something to write home about. He's had one double digit TD year (his third year in the league) and hasn't exceeded 8 a year any other time.

He is a possession receiver with a playmakers brain. He thinks he is a playmaker but he is not.

I wouldn't want any part of that whackjob here.

[Father Demon]

Phreak -- not arguing, but asking:

Rank 'em:

Pinkston
Brown
Lewis
Keyshawn

[PhillyPhreak54]

Brown
Gaffney
Keyshawn
Pinkston
McMullen
McCants
Lewis

Yes, I realize that I would rank Keyshawn 3rd. But when I factor in his age and the fact that he is a glorified possession guy with a bad attitude and I would take Brown and Gaffney over him. If I used just the guys you listed he would be 2nd behind Brown.

Brown
Pinkston
Gaffney
Stovall (or another draft pick)
McCants / McMullen

If our WR corps looks like that, I would be OK with it as much as I could be considering the circumstances of what else is out there. The only hopes for it to look any different is if we got Walker or Moulds, both of whom I would love to have here.

[The BIGSTUD]

I don't want Stovall if we take a receiver in the 2nd round. If he's there in the 3rd I'd take him.

I'd take Derek Hagan or Chad Jackson over him. There's a strong possibility both will be available for the Eagles pick in the 2nd round. Derek Hagan was a stud at ASU, and Chad Jackson is a burner. Also Jason Avant is a player I'd take over Stovall as well, and there's a player out there Brandon Marshall who is huge. 6-4 230, but he didn't really do anything at all until his senior year, which scares me. I'd take all them over Stovall, except probably not Brandon Marshall. He's too much of a question mark.

Anyway, I guess my point is that while this draft doesn't have that Braylon Edwards or Larry Fitzgerald coming out, it has a ton of very solid receivers who will be available all the way until the 3rd round. The Eagles better jump on one.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

No way in hell Chad Jackson falls to the Eagles pick in the 2nd round.  Ridiculous 40 time = drafted early...

Just ask Donte Stallworth and Troy Williamson.

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No way in hell Chad Jackson falls to the Eagles pick in the 2nd round.  Ridiculous 40 time = drafted early...

Just ask Donte Stallworth and Troy Williamson.
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Darned if that ain't a good point. 


I would throw Ashley Lelie in that bag as well.  These guys have done next to nothing.

Although I agree that Mefawn is a head case and I never would have advocated the Eagles getting him I feel like the need at that position is simply desperate.  All Reid knows is to throw the ball in the last couple of years and I don't se that changing much so you have to give Donnie as many effective targets as you can.  ShePawn, say what you want about him, has always been effective if nothing else.

[Feva]

Keyshawn is a #1 on the depth chart.

Keyshawn is NOT a #1 in the sense that he is a stud receiver.

As stated before - he is a possession receiver. He's 34 years old and said he wouldn't play for $2.5M.

He's been in the league for 10 years (4 in NY, 4 in TB and 2 in DAL) and has 744 catches and 60 TDs.

60 TDs in 10 years as a #1 WR isn't exactly something to write home about. He's had one double digit TD year (his third year in the league) and hasn't exceeded 8 a year any other time.

He is a possession receiver with a playmakers brain. He thinks he is a playmaker but he is not.

I wouldn't want any part of that whackjob here.

Look, I'm FAAAAAR from a MeShawn fan, but this summary kind of points out why he could work out here.  If nothing else, the guy is a possession receiver, right?  I think a quality, reliable possession receiver would come in pretty handy for a team that was near or at the top of the league in 3 and outs.  Like Sarge said... 70+ catches 3 out of the last 4 years.  We've witnessed it more times than we care playing against the Girls that the guy keeps drives going.

We've got our speedy young WR's in Brown and Gaffney... Keyshawn is nowhere near a burner but he's still solid and still has TERRIFIC hands... which again, comes in handy considering that from time to time, McNabb will throw a "challenging" pass.  A solid, reliable WR would pay big dividends for us.  Like him or hate him, he would probably add a bit of stability (on the field) to a pretty questionable group of WR's.

I'm not jumping on the bandwagon, but I think a couple folks aren't looking past the hate for the guy that we all obviously have and missing the fact that he could actually make us a better team.  Would I rather have Walker or Moulds?  In a farging heartbeat, but seeing at this point that neither of them are available to us right now...