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PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 01, 2006, 12:23:36 PM
Ngata is imo, he is going to be picked fairly high.  I think they could get a way with just a second rounder.  I don't see them doing it I am just saying if they were to move up SF would be a team that they may do it with given there past history.  The only other teams that I could see would be Detroit or Arizona.,  with AZ being highly unlikely.

Detroit or AZ would be a TON more likely, just based on positioning.  Moving from #14 to #6 is a HUGE jump and would require MUCH more than just a 2nd rounder, despite your opinion to the contrary.

I just can't see this Eagles team trading up this year, and I hope I'm right.

PhillyPhanInDC

There are really only two DTs I can see the Eagles possibly wanting to take in the first round that would make sense:

Ngata 6'5", 340: Would require a trade up, unless somehow he drops.

Watson 6'4" 340: Could maybe trade down for him, but if they just took him at 14 I wouldn't be too upset.

I think if Ngata goes, which is most likely, and they can't trade down to a spot and get what they want pick and position wise, they go with an O-lineman, or just BPA. I don't see them wanting to line up two smaller, quick, one gap DTs side-by-side. Patterson is going to be a solid tackle for years, but he may turn into a stellar one if you give him a huge tackle to line up next that will eat up double teams and stuff the run. If they want a guy similar to Patterson, it'll be for depth and add to the rotation, and I think they'll grab one in the later rounds.

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Drunkmasterflex

Quote from: FFatPatt on April 01, 2006, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 01, 2006, 12:23:36 PM
Ngata is imo, he is going to be picked fairly high.  I think they could get a way with just a second rounder.  I don't see them doing it I am just saying if they were to move up SF would be a team that they may do it with given there past history.  The only other teams that I could see would be Detroit or Arizona.,  with AZ being highly unlikely.

Detroit or AZ would be a TON more likely, just based on positioning.  Moving from #14 to #6 is a HUGE jump and would require MUCH more than just a 2nd rounder, despite your opinion to the contrary.

I just can't see this Eagles team trading up this year, and I hope I'm right.

I hope your right too, I don't think this years draft it will cost nearly as much to move up as you think.  Personally I don't really see a lot of teams moving unless there is a team that absolutely loves a player and is in dire need to acquire him.  I think the Eagles stand pat and if I had to make a prediction today it would be Chad Jackson as there selection. 
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Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 01, 2006, 12:56:28 PM
Quote from: FFatPatt on April 01, 2006, 12:27:11 PM
Quote from: Drunkmasterflex on April 01, 2006, 12:23:36 PM
Ngata is imo, he is going to be picked fairly high.  I think they could get a way with just a second rounder.  I don't see them doing it I am just saying if they were to move up SF would be a team that they may do it with given there past history.  The only other teams that I could see would be Detroit or Arizona.,  with AZ being highly unlikely.

Detroit or AZ would be a TON more likely, just based on positioning.  Moving from #14 to #6 is a HUGE jump and would require MUCH more than just a 2nd rounder, despite your opinion to the contrary.

I just can't see this Eagles team trading up this year, and I hope I'm right.

I hope your right too, I don't think this years draft it will cost nearly as much to move up as you think.  Personally I don't really see a lot of teams moving unless there is a team that absolutely loves a player and is in dire need to acquire him.  I think the Eagles stand pat and if I had to make a prediction today it would be Chad Jackson as there selection. 

this is what we want...everyone thinking they will stand pat, and the Eagles go the total opposite and move up to aquire a DT. Never fails...always go opposite (Seinfeld)....  ;).

Displaced

I would love to see Ngata or Watson lined up nest to Patterson for the next few years, but what I think you guys are missing is the fact that neither of these guys fit JJ's mold for a DT.

When, under the present leadership of this team, have any of you seen a DT over 310-315lbs? (Corey doesen't count he wasn't sopposed to be that big)

I just don't wee it happening.  If the Eagles take a DT I think it will be Bunkley.  They need impact up front, they already have the rotational type guys on the roster.

   

PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: Displaced on April 01, 2006, 02:32:03 PM
When, under the present leadership of this team, have any of you seen a DT over 310-315lbs? (Corey doesen't count he wasn't sopposed to be that big)

The point isn't whether or not they've had guys like this.  The point is how highly they value guys like this.

They usually like to have 1 or 2 big, run-stuffing DT's (ie: Hollis), but they wouldn't trade UP for one in the 1st round of the draft.  That's for damn sure.

Displaced

QuoteThe point isn't whether or not they've had guys like this.  The point is how highly they value guys like this.

I think the two points are one in the Same FF.

Hollis may have played the role of "Run stuffer" but never at 340lbs or anything close to it.

The Eagles have had various and sundried chances to obtain guys of this hieght and weight and have passed them over time and time again.  I doubt they take either one of these guys if either one of them are available where they pick and they certainly won't manuever to get them.

Don Ho

Quote from: PhillyPhaninDC on April 01, 2006, 11:34:50 AM
I think the Waston "laziness" thing is  maybe a bit over-hyped.

I get sick of all these "negatives" on these draft boards.  Good lord even Bush, Leinart, Young, D'Brickashaw, Coleman etc. are busts if you read into these negative reports.  I agree on your "excellent compliment" observation  to Patterson.  That could be a great combo.
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PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: Displaced on April 01, 2006, 03:10:17 PM
QuoteThe point isn't whether or not they've had guys like this.  The point is how highly they value guys like this.

I think the two points are one in the Same FF.

Hollis may have played the role of "Run stuffer" but never at 340lbs or anything close to it.

Ha!  Hollis runs at least 350 right now.

PhillyPhanInDC

Quote from: FFatPatt on April 01, 2006, 07:46:39 PM
Quote from: Displaced on April 01, 2006, 03:10:17 PM
QuoteThe point isn't whether or not they've had guys like this.  The point is how highly they value guys like this.

I think the two points are one in the Same FF.

Hollis may have played the role of "Run stuffer" but never at 340lbs or anything close to it.

Ha!  Hollis runs at least 350 right now.

At an even six foot too. Fat shtein.
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Drunkmasterflex

I don't think that size is really an issue with the Eagles as far as DTs go it is more of how quick they are and obviously smaller DTs tend to be quicker than the lardasses.
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with 11 picks, i don't see why they'd move down to acquire extra picks...if anything, try to move up...unless they intend on having 10+ rookies on the roster this year.
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Drunkmasterflex

Quote from: hunt on April 01, 2006, 08:55:17 PM
with 11 picks, i don't see why they'd move down to acquire extra picks...if anything, try to move up...unless they intend on having 10+ rookies on the roster this year.

The more picks that you have the more they can be parlayed into future picks or move up later in the draft.
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PoopyfaceMcGee

Quote from: hunt on April 01, 2006, 08:55:17 PM
with 11 picks, i don't see why they'd move down to acquire extra picks...if anything, try to move up...unless they intend on having 10+ rookies on the roster this year.

I think you move down to get more 1st day picks.  Apparently, the 2nd and 3rd rounds will be a gold mine this year.  Then, maybe they can use some of those 4th rounders to move up into the 3rd... or something.

It's an option.  Still, I think they stay put and take the top guy on their board.

PoopyfaceMcGee

Pretty interesting site here:  LINK

Kind of like that "mock draft muncher" site, but it seems to use a ton more mocks, and it doesn't center around the Cleveland Browns.  BTW, rjs gave me the link, but didn't want you all to know that he actually seeks football knowledge from time to time outside of CF.  Ha.