2006 Point & Laugh at the taterskins thread

[qwert246]

REPEAT: THEY DONT HAVE A GM...because snyder thinks he can run the PP operations...and that is a problem...and even if vinnie and gibbs are running the ship now then its still a problem as gibbs is not a GM and vinnie is a travesty...REPEAT: SNYDER WILL NOT HIRE A GM

end of story...to argue this is to show your true taterskins stupidity


the cap stuff is not relevant here as they have never been hurt from it and i dont believe they will be this year either...even without a deal

The GM argument is fair.  You need a GM to rein in the coach.  Brunell should have gotten a lesser deal, so I'll agree with you.  I don't think Snyder is as involved as you think, but even if it's Gibbs and Vinnie, I agree a GM would be better.
But it's not like they are the only team to try the no GM thing.  Don't make it seem like their FO is the only one doing this.

[Wingspan]

But you know, Snyder hasn't hurt the team at all recently...

i agree, if you mean by recently...as in since breakfast this morning

[Bigskinbauer]

The CBA looks to be unsigned and it won't be done.  All the owners agreed to stop talks.  However, it isn't all that hard to get under the cap for the skins.  The biggest names we MAY lose are Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen as reported by the post.  The post did show their knowledge on what is going on at taterskins park when they said brunell wouldn't restructure.  Here is a scenerio that works

http://taterskins.scout.com/2/501659.html

The taterskins are currently sitting at a 2006 salary cap figure of $115.5m - $20.5m over the estimated $95m NFL cap and these leaves the Skins at real risk being in breach of the cap come March 3. Cutting of high cost players will net only minimal savings. So that brings us to the first option the Skins have to get under the cap--to cut as many non-necessity players that save money as possible, redo some contracts.

First, the players that could be released. Here's a list of 11 players with their 2006 cap savings if released in brackets:

Walt Harris ($2m)
Matt Bowen ($2m)
Brandon Noble ($1.7m)
Patrick Ramsey ($1.7m)
Cory Raymer ($1.0m)
John Hall ($1.0m)
James Thrash ([body].9m)
Tom Tupa ([body].6m)
Antonio Brown ([body].5m)
Jimmy Farris ($.5m)
Karon Riley ([body].5m)


That's $9.3m saved against the cap (when also figuring in the 12 players who would replace these guys under the Rule of 51)



Note: The Skins could re-sign a couple of the cut players at vet minimum contracts that would be at a similar level of compensation to the player as their 2006 money under the now terminated contract, but at a much lower cap value to the team.



Secondly, contract tinkering to fit the 30 percent rules. Here's a list of players who's contracts we could massage to make some savings with some basic restructuring:



Chris Samuels –
Scrap the 3.5m LTBE incentive in 2006 and the 3.0m roster bonus due in 2007,
Give him an option bonus of $6m, adding another year to his contract (2012),
Make his base salaries $1.5m (2006), $2.4m (2007), $3.3m (2008), $4m (2009), $6.4m (2010), $7.3m (2011) and $8.2m (2012).
Base salaries from 2006-2009 would be guaranteed.

This would save $1.500m in 2006.

Jon Jansen:
Give him an option bonus of $5m, adding another year to his contract (2009),
Make his base salaries $1.420m (2006), $2.2m (2007), $3.0m (2008) and $3.8m (2009).
All base salaries would be guaranteed.

This would save $1.350m in 2006.

Randy Thomas –
Give him an option bonus of $5m, adding another year to his contract (2010),
Make his base salaries $1.2m (2006), $1.9m (2007), $2.6m (2008), $3.3m (2009) and $5.2m (2010).
Base salaries from 2006-09 would be guaranteed.

This would save $1.050m in 2006.

Marcus Washington –
Scrap the $2.5m roster bonus in 2006
Give him an option bonus of $4m, adding another year to his contract (2010),
Make his base salaries $1.5m (2006), $2.250m (2007), $3.0m (2008), $3.750m (2009) and $5.5m (2010).
Base salaries from 2006-09 would be guaranteed.

This would save $1.500m in 2006.

David Patten –
Scrap the [body].6m LTBE incentive in 2006, and his roster bonuses in 2007/8/9
Increase his already existing option bonus in 2006 to $4m, triggering the 2009 year
Make his base salaries [body].670m (2006), $1.170m (2007), $1.8m (2008), and $2.0m (2009)
Base salaries from 2006-09 would be guaranteed.

This would save [body].327m in 2006.

Cornelius Griffin –
Scrap the $2.5m roster bonus in 2006,
Give him an option bonus of $4m, adding another year to his contract (2011),
Make his base salaries $1.5m (2006), $2.250m (2007), $3.0m (2008), $3.750m (2009), $5.5m (2010) and $6.250m (2011).
Base salaries from 2006-09 would be guaranteed.

This would save $1.000m in 2006.



Shawn Springs –
Scrap his $3.1m roster bonus in 2006
Give him an option bonus of $6m, adding another year to his contract (2010),
Make his base salaries $1.5m (2006), $2.4m (2007), $3.3m (2008), $4.2m (2009) and $6.6m (2010).
Base salaries from 2006-09 would be guaranteed.

This would save [body].850m in 2006.



Clinton Portis –
Scrap his $3.0m roster bonus in 2006, $1.0m roster bonus in 2008 and [body].515m incentive in 2009
Give him an option bonus of $6m, adding another year to his contract (2012),
Make his base salaries $1.5m (2006), $2.4m (2007), $3.3m (2008), $4.2m (2009), $6.6m (2010), $7.5m (2011) and $8.0m (2012).
Base salaries from 2006-09 would be guaranteed.

This would save [body].545m in 2006.



Casey Rabach –
Scrap the $1.6m LTBE incentive in 2006
increase his already existing option bonus in 2006 to $5m, triggering the 2010 year
make his base salaries [body].545m (2006), $1.050m (2007), $1.555m (2008), $2.060m (2009) and $3.8m (2010)
base salaries from 2006-09 would be guaranteed.

This would save [body].850m in 2006.



Mark Brunell –
Scrap UTBE incentive from 2006
Give him an option bonus of $4m, adding another year to his contract (2011),
Make his base salaries $2m (2006), $2.9m (2007), $3.8m (2008), $4.7m (2009), $6.6 (2010) and $7m (2011).
Base salaries from 2006-09 would be guaranteed.

This would save $1.000m in 2006.



LaVar Arrington –
Reduce his roster bonuses in 2006, 08 and 09 down to $2.785m, $3.0m and $3.0m
Scrap all roster bonuses from 2010 onwards
Give him a restructure bonus of $6m,
Make his base salaries [body].545m (2006), $2.275m (2007), $2.350m (2008), $3.377m (2009), $7.4m (2010) and $8.4m (2011).
Base salaries from 2006-09 would be guaranteed.

This would save $2.215m in 2006.

That's a further $12.1m in savings against the cap.

There's $21.4m of savings, which would result in the Skins being nearly $1m under a $95m.

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All of this is basically based on players having to redo their contracts.  Will everyone do it?  I don't know but most on that list are veteran players.  That is good and bad.  They will help their team but they will also be scared of being cut later in their careers.  Note the brunell contract is done.

if losing these 11 players is the cap hell you were all jacking off to for years and years it must be dissapointing.  I don't think it could be this easy but, hey what do I know?

[rjs246]

All of that is getting done in the next 9 hours for sure.

[rjs246]

Oh yeah, and after all of that gets done, you'll have a whopping $1mil to sign all of the players you'll need to fill in all of those holes. Crash and burn baby.

[MURP]

There's $21.4m of savings, which would result in the Skins being nearly $1m under a $95m.

what about signing players to replace the guys who would be cut... or signing the draft picks?

[ice grillin you]

skins will be going with a 40 man roster this year and will trade their draft  for hollis thomas

[Feva]

There's $21.4m of savings, which would result in the Skins being nearly $1m under a $95m.

what about signing players to replace the guys who would be cut... or signing the draft picks?

They're the Skins dude... who needs draft picks?! 

[Bigskinbauer]

Who ever wrote this accounted for re-signing the players.  I do think he underestimated but remember this "cap hell" so we won't be picking up huge people to be replacing awesome players like Cory Raymer and Brandon Noble...

"First, the players that could be released. Here's a list of 11 players with their 2006 cap savings if released in brackets:

Walt Harris ($2m)
Matt Bowen ($2m)
Brandon Noble ($1.7m)
Patrick Ramsey ($1.7m)
Cory Raymer ($1.0m)
John Hall ($1.0m)
James Thrash ([body].9m)
Tom Tupa ([body].6m)
Antonio Brown ([body].5m)
Jimmy Farris ($.5m)
Karon Riley ([body].5m)


That's $9.3m saved against the cap (when also figuring in the 12 players who would replace these guys under the Rule of 51)"

as for draft picks you are right.  Like I said I don't think it will be this easy.   My understanding is that we will be able to offer base salaries and then add the bulk of the salaries to later, un-capped, years.  They could sign some rookie for nothing the first year and offer 3 million the next.

[Feva]

A whole lot of denial and Snyder/Gibbs happy juice drinking.

You are farged.  You didn't take into account that the people you cut will not be chomping at the bit to resign at league min just to keep playing with Coach God.  Or the cost of replacing all these guys you so "easily" cut.  Or the cost of signing the rookies and high number of UDFA's that you'll end up with.

But hey... you're right... almost $1 million is plenty to take care of everything. 

[Rome]

I love it when Art's minions come over here to regurgitate the party line.

[MDS]

You understand, do you not, that the cap situation is fine for us if the cap persists, and for years, we've laughed at you dimwits who suggested we'd ever be hurt under the existing rules of play. Now that those rules may change you suggest you were right all along, yet, it simply shows how you've always been wrong.

The faith in Snyder comes from the only place that matters. Our shared reality.

Snyder has been an exceptional owner because smart people understand his role as an owner is to bring the best people possible to the organization, give them the space they need to do what they think will work, and provide the organization facilities others can't match.

No owner, Snyder or otherwise, is graded on wins and losses. No owner, Snyder or otherwise, has a win-loss record. Head coaches do. Coaches are graded on that. They are graded harshly on that if they tell their owner they need certain things to succeed, they are given those things, and they fail.

Snyder does what owners are supposed to do. He provides the finances to be successful. He hires coaches who are uniformly deemed to be high class. He provides the financial resources necessary to avoid any serious cap consequences other teams so routinely run into.

From a faith standpoint, we only have a reason to have faith given all Snyder has proven he does well as an owner

Baghdad Art at it again.

[phattymatty]

no owner is based on wins and losses.  that's just smrt thinking right there.

[rjs246]

I'm begging you guys. Please please please stop posting Art's nonsense over here. The shtein he types on that site is infuriating. My inability to respond to him is more than I can handle. I actually tried ot log into that goddamned site yesterday to lambast his nonsense, but oddly enough StinkNugget is still banned. more's the pity...

[ice grillin you]

Snyder has been an exceptional owner because smart people understand his role as an owner is to bring the best people possible to the organization, give them the space they need


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