Obama Continues Bush's Illegal Drone Surveillance

Started by Rome, December 16, 2005, 08:52:30 AM

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Diomedes

Quote from: Beef Rapp on December 01, 2006, 11:00:11 AM
So if I enjoy middle eastern food am I a risk to the country?

Well, if you shop in arabic stores, you're more likely to be financially supporting terrorists.  So I think the government should track what you buy/where you shop.  Same for what restaurants you eat at.  There should be a database for that too.  You know, for "security." 

Also, the government should be able to cross reference the shopping and restaurant databases against what books you buy, or borrow from the library. 

And with the phone calls you make outside the country, websites you frequent, emails you send   And also against a database of your flights. 

For security, these things are obviously needed.  And of course, they should all be secret..blocked from you or the press getting access.  What do you have to hide? 
There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

Rome

Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 01, 2006, 11:03:24 AM
Quote from: Jerome99RIP on December 01, 2006, 10:57:07 AM
Hahaha.  Dio hacked Joel's account.

Well done, Dio!

:yay

Assuming you know someone because they post on a football message board makes you master of teh internets.

It was a joke, Joel.  Relax, big boy.   ;)

ice grillin you

what books you buy, or borrow from the library.


reading habits are how mills and somerset found john doe
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Seabiscuit36

Quote from: Diomedes on December 01, 2006, 11:07:47 AM
Quote from: Beef Rapp on December 01, 2006, 11:00:11 AM
So if I enjoy middle eastern food am I a risk to the country?

Well, if you shop in arabic stores, you're more likely to be financially supporting terrorists.  So I think the government should track what you buy/where you shop.  Same for what restaurants you eat at.  There should be a database for that too.  You know, for "security." 

Also, the government should be able to cross reference the shopping and restaurant databases against what books you buy, or borrow from the library. 

And with the phone calls you make outside the country, websites you frequent, emails you send   And also against a database of your flights. 

For security, these things are obviously needed.  And of course, they should all be secret..blocked from you or the press getting access.  What do you have to hide? 
Crap, I always go to 7-11, Dunking Donuts, and this lovely Falaffel place.   :paranoid
"For all the civic slurs, for all the unsavory things said of the Philadelphia fans, also say this: They could teach loyalty to a dog. Their capacity for pain is without limit." -Bill Lyons

Rome

Quote from: ice grillin you on December 01, 2006, 11:12:44 AM
what books you buy, or borrow from the library.


reading habits are how mills and somerset found john doe


Ha.  Awesome movie.   :yay

MURP

I got Basmati rice at the grocery store.    help!

Seabiscuit36

"For all the civic slurs, for all the unsavory things said of the Philadelphia fans, also say this: They could teach loyalty to a dog. Their capacity for pain is without limit." -Bill Lyons

Father Demon

Quote from: Diomedes on December 01, 2006, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: Butchers Bill on December 01, 2006, 10:25:52 AMits much easier to run an analysis and be able to say "ah-ha!  bad credit risk"

Not to mention that you can see your credit score and object/appeal if you find it to be incorrect.  It's a horrible pain in the ass to do so, and is designed to be difficult to people don't fight the system, but it's possible.

This idiotic, Nazi-like "security" plan is totally secret.  You can't see your profile or do shtein about it if you're on there by mistake.


Actually, Dio, this is the part of the program I do have a problem with.  You should have the right to see, dispute, and correct.  But as a whole, I don't see the issue.  Where I eat, call, and shop is not really an invasion of privacy, since credit cards companies, retail outlets, and sometimes even employers do the same kind of data harvesting.  And frankly, if people are misidentified, as long as the system catches someone like it should, that that's a success.

I have a buddy of mine that is a salesman, and his name is on the security list for flying. A nice, common name like David Hill.  He flys an average of 8 to 10 times a month, and can never check in early, use curbside check-in, and is hit through the security lines.  He realizes it's a PITA, but he also acknowledges that it's a fact of life in this day and age for some to be inconvenienced to protect others.  I agree with him, especially since his opinion is first hand experience.
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Cerevant

Quote from: Father Demon on December 01, 2006, 12:15:19 PMWhere I eat, call, and shop is not really an invasion of privacy, since credit cards companies, retail outlets, and sometimes even employers do the same kind of data harvesting.  And frankly, if people are misidentified, as long as the system catches someone like it should, that that's a success.

Unless it is you who gets misidentified. This is why you should care:
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The tool works by plugging 30 to 40 variables into a computerized checklist, which in turn produces a score associated with future lethality.

"You can imagine the indicators that might incline someone toward violence: youth; having committed a serious crime at an early age; being a man rather than a woman, and so on. Each, by itself, probably isn't going to make a person pull the trigger. But put them all together and you've got a perfect storm of forces for violence," Berk said.

Hey Billy Bob - This here nifty new compuputuer says since this guy eats burger every 2nd Thursday of the month, he might be a killer.  Better round him up for questionin'
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ice grillin you

more civil rights erosion from the nazi

of course the ignorant masses have bought into the red herring security over liberty philosophy and wont blink at this...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html
i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Diomedes

There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." - Yosemite Park Ranger

ice grillin you

i can take a phrase thats rarely heard...flip it....now its a daily word

igy gettin it done like warrick

im the board pharmacist....always one step above yous

Wingspan

it's so maddening, it makes me want to have a cigarette...oh...wait...
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MURP

but..... but ......but .....  he will only open the terrorists mail.......... 

rjs246

Now SunMo will have to stop sending me love letters.
Is rjs gonna have to choke a bitch?

Let them eat bootstraps.