Donovan Speaks

[MadMarchHare]

Like Vick (and Ward), I think Young would be better served by moving to a different skill position.
His throwing motion is god-awful.

[SunMo]

Like Vick (and Ward), I think Young would be better served by moving to a different skill position.
His throwing motion is god-awful.

so was Randal's

[rjs246]

College QBs with no future have huge years all the time. Andre Ware threw for over 700 yards in one game the year he won the Heisman. Completion % and mobility in college do not a good pro QB make.

[ice grillin you]

I think Young would be better served by moving to a different skill position.
His throwing motion is god-awful

fran tarkenton says hi!...from the hall of fame

you know how many qb's come into the league and have their mechanics adjusted...as if wack brown is going to coach up vince youngs throwing motion...the point is vince young has the ability to make throws that leinert can only dream of...and young unlike vick has been accurate in college

young might flop leinert might flop...they both might be good...but young is the one that has a chance to be special...and to tell him to switch to another skill position is insulting...should leinert be asked to move to punter because he has no arm strength and cant move

[MadMarchHare]

Like Vick (and Ward), I think Young would be better served by moving to a different skill position.
His throwing motion is god-awful.

so was Randal's

And?  He was a heave-ho guy, just like Culpepper.  Point is, Young's delivery is much closer to Bernie Kosar than John Elway.

[Zanshin]

You know, I think Young will struggle in the pros...but it's pointless to argue about it-- because even if he sucks, people won't readily admit it.  I mean, I didn't think Vick would be any good...and he's not.  And yet people are still drooling all over Vick.  How many people has Vick gotten fired?  How much success has he really had?  And yet, there are still people who rank him as a top QB.  Pointless.

[rjs246]

should leinert be asked to move to punter because he has no arm strength and cant move

I don't know, but that would be awesome.

[MadMarchHare]

I think Young would be better served by moving to a different skill position.
His throwing motion is god-awful

fran tarkenton says hi!...from the hall of fame

you know how many qb's come into the league and have their mechanics adjusted...as if wack brown is going to coach up vince youngs throwing motion...the point is vince young has the ability to make throws that leinert can only dream of...and young unlike vick has been accurate in college

young might flop leinert might flop...they both might be good...but young is the one that has a chance to be special...and to tell him to switch to another skill position is insulting...should leinert be asked to move to punter because he has no arm strength and cant move

I don't know about insulting.  His mobility and quicks would serve him well as a receiver, or even a back.  I hope you're not assuming this is a racist statement.  He's had good accuracy at the college level.  Bully for him.

[ice grillin you]

College QBs with no future have huge years all the time. Andre Ware threw for over 700 yards in one game the year he won the Heisman. Completion % and mobility in college do not a good pro QB make

andre ware wasnt mobile and he threw for a zillion yards because houston had a video game offense

vince young didnt have a huge year...hes had two great years (out of three)...as good as leinerts but without all the weapons

[Zanshin]

Jets might do that.  Shoot they took a kicker with their top pick last year.  I can hear it now:  "With the fourth pick, the New York Jets select...punter Matt Leinart, USC.  That's right....punter."

[mussa]

im too lazy to go back, but why are u guys argueing about two players who will never be drafted by the eagles.   

[Zanshin]

To me, the difference between Leinart and Yound doesn't lie with inherent talent, but within the system they played in.  Leinart played in a system ready-made for the pros, and he's proven to be a very good game manager.  Young ran a lot of option, and used his athletic ability to make things happen and make up for the lack of talent around him.  Now, you could say the same was true of McNabb.  But, in general, Young is the swing for the fences pick and Leinart is the safer bet with the lower ceiling.

[ice grillin you]

I hope you're not assuming this is a racist statement

not at all...but why can vince young not be a great qb....but fran tarkenton john elway phillip rivers jim mcmahon kelly stouffer billy joe tolliver all qbs who had unorthodox throwing motions coming out of college could

and the vick young comparisons need to stop...vince young is a qb...vick truly was an athlete playing qb...there arent even close to being the same college player

[rjs246]

not at all...but why can vince young not be a great qb....but fran tarkenton john elway phillip rivers jim mcmahon kelly stouffer billy joe tolliver all qbs who had unorthodox throwing motions coming out of college could

Only two of those QBs were even close to great. Funky deliveries don't guarantee failure, but those who have them and succeed are the exception, not the rule.

By the way, I'm arguing for the sake of arguing now. I don't actually give a shtein. i hope they both fail. In fact I hope that every player chosen in the first round who doesn't go to the Eagles flops on their face.

[ice grillin you]

those are qb's with abnormal throwing motions that never changed...there are lots of qb's that have their motions changed by coaching

and truth be told immobile qb's with weak arms that turn out great are the exception so why is leinert an nfl qb but vince young has to play wr...no ones answered that yet

you can change a throwing motion in a couple mini camps...but unless your coach is oscar goldman you cant get a stronger arm and a couple new legs