Grievance Hearing Thread

[FreakisaKearseWord]

Games won by a less than a touchdown:
23-20 win over Oakland 1 TD (20-16 loss)*
37-31 win over Kansas City 1 TD (31-30 loss)*
20-17 win over San Diego 1 TD (17-13 loss)*
*without TO

[MURP]

Games won by a less than a touchdown:
23-20 win over Oakland 1 TD (20-16 loss)*
37-31 win over Kansas City 1 TD (31-30 loss)*
20-17 win over San Diego 1 TD (17-13 loss)*
*without TO

is that supposed to mean anything important?  You can take players stats away from any team in the NFL and change the outcome of a game. 

[PhillyGirl]

I was just going to ask the significance of that post too. wtf?

[FreakisaKearseWord]

Games won by a less than a touchdown:
23-20 win over Oakland 1 TD (20-16 loss)*
37-31 win over Kansas City 1 TD (31-30 loss)*
20-17 win over San Diego 1 TD (17-13 loss)*
*without TO

is that supposed to mean anything important?  You can take players stats away from any team in the NFL and change the outcome of a game. 

But still......I guess I kind of worded it wrong. xD

[MDS]

can we just please end this nonsense?

[General_Failure]

NEVER!

[Father Demon]

Read some of these asinine people

Especially Dee and Sridhar. 

They may lose in the short run, this year, but that was going to happen anyway with McNabb's nagging injury. The Eagles have won in the past without Owens and they'll win in the future. Eagles fans just don't want him back, period. Whether it's the difference between them making the playoffs and missing the playoffs, whether it's the difference between them beating the Giants and not beating the Giants. Part of caring about a team is is having respect for its players and its personality and frankly, to me, that's way more important than winning and losing for a single season.
-- Chris Newcomb , New York (3:37 p.m.)

Who is this intelligent, thoughtful, and germane person masquarading as a Giant's fan??

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Players reaction

Hollis! 

Awesome.  Hollis rules.  Les Bowen luvs him sum David Akers backside, too.

I must have missed this..will the Eagles go after that portion of the signing bonus?  Can they still do that?

Yes and yes.

Actually, they already demanded re-payment of the prorated portion of the bonus ($1.75 million or so) after he missed the mandatory mini-camp.  They've been deducting a set amount (about $109,375) from each game check to recoup that over the season, reducing his game checks from $203,125 for each game to more like $93,750.

I guess they'll have to raise the deduction amount for the final 5 games after not having to pay him at all for 4 games.  He has now "paid back" about $765,625 of the $1.75m, meaning he still has $984,375 to pay back.  That means his game checks for the final 5 games of the season will be a measly $6,250 each.

This could also help explain why they won't even consider cutting him.  It effectively costs them $31,250 to keep him on the roster for the rest of the season, because were they to cut him and try to get back the $984,375 through other means, it would probably require more legal proceedings and such.

All told, the team paid T.O. $2,562,500 less than he was supposed to get overall.  $687,500 will be his total net compensation for this season.  Last season, he pocketed around $7 mill.  But there is little doubt that his association with Rosenhaus and his resulting ridiculousness has cost him LOTS of money.

Word.

[PhillyGirl]

Owens will lose $764,705 in base salary. That represents four-seventeenths of his scheduled base salary of $3.25 million for the 2005 season. Philadelphia also will attempt to recover $1.725 million in signing-bonus money paid to Owens last spring as part of his seven-year contract. The team can do so because it wisely wrote into his deal a provision that permits such recovery if Owens was suspended for more than one game. It's believed the team can withhold game checks, of $191,176 each, toward the repayment of the part of the signing bonus it is seeking.

[bobbyinlondon]

Players reaction

Hollis! 

Awesome.  Hollis rules.  Les Bowen luvs him sum David Akers backside, too.

I must have missed this..will the Eagles go after that portion of the signing bonus?  Can they still do that?

Yes and yes.

Actually, they already demanded re-payment of the prorated portion of the bonus ($1.75 million or so) after he missed the mandatory mini-camp.  They've been deducting a set amount (about $109,375) from each game check to recoup that over the season, reducing his game checks from $203,125 for each game to more like $93,750.

I guess they'll have to raise the deduction amount for the final 5 games after not having to pay him at all for 4 games.  He has now "paid back" about $765,625 of the $1.75m, meaning he still has $984,375 to pay back.  That means his game checks for the final 5 games of the season will be a measly $6,250 each.

This could also help explain why they won't even consider cutting him.  It effectively costs them $31,250 to keep him on the roster for the rest of the season, because were they to cut him and try to get back the $984,375 through other means, it would probably require more legal proceedings and such.

All told, the team paid T.O. $2,562,500 less than he was supposed to get overall.  $687,500 will be his total net compensation for this season.  Last season, he pocketed around $7 mill.  But there is little doubt that his association with Rosenhaus and his resulting ridiculousness has cost him LOTS of money.

Word.

I'm reminded of something Donovan said when Owens threatned to hold out of training camp: "It makes no sense if you're trying to get more money to cause actions which would make you lose money." Or words to that effect.

[Feva]

All told, the team paid T.O. $2,562,500 less than he was supposed to get overall.  $687,500 will be his total net compensation for this season.  Last season, he pocketed around $7 mill.  But there is little doubt that his association with Rosenhaus and his resulting ridiculousness has cost him LOTS of money.

AR, Banner, Lurie

[qwert246]

Actually, they already demanded re-payment of the prorated portion of the bonus ($1.75 million or so) after he missed the mandatory mini-camp.  They've been deducting a set amount (about $109,375) from each game check to recoup that over the season, reducing his game checks from $203,125 for each game to more like $93,750.

I guess they'll have to raise the deduction amount for the final 5 games after not having to pay him at all for 4 games.  He has now "paid back" about $765,625 of the $1.75m, meaning he still has $984,375 to pay back.  That means his game checks for the final 5 games of the season will be a measly $6,250 each.

This could also help explain why they won't even consider cutting him.  It effectively costs them $31,250 to keep him on the roster for the rest of the season, because were they to cut him and try to get back the $984,375 through other means, it would probably require more legal proceedings and such.

All told, the team paid T.O. $2,562,500 less than he was supposed to get overall.  $687,500 will be his total net compensation for this season.  Last season, he pocketed around $7 mill.  But there is little doubt that his association with Rosenhaus and his resulting ridiculousness has cost him LOTS of money.

Word.

Where did you get this FFatPatt?  That's classic if that's what is happening.
Do you know if the FO also collected Westbrook's fines, or did they just blow it off?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

They fined Westbrook something like $8,000/day for each day of training camp he missed.  He didn't have a big signing bonus they could try to get back, like Owens did.

I got the numbers from reading the background information and simple deduction.  I made a small error by calculating the amounts by game, not week (didn't include the bye week), but the general idea is correct.

[Diomedes]

Thanks for spelling that out for me.  I am teh stoopiD.

[Cerevant]

Actually, they already demanded re-payment of the prorated portion of the bonus ($1.75 million or so) after he missed the mandatory mini-camp.  They've been deducting a set amount (about $109,375) from each game check to recoup that over the season, reducing his game checks from $203,125 for each game to more like $93,750.

I guess they'll have to raise the deduction amount for the final 5 games after not having to pay him at all for 4 games.  He has now "paid back" about $765,625 of the $1.75m, meaning he still has $984,375 to pay back.  That means his game checks for the final 5 games of the season will be a measly $6,250 each.

This could also help explain why they won't even consider cutting him.  It effectively costs them $31,250 to keep him on the roster for the rest of the season, because were they to cut him and try to get back the $984,375 through other means, it would probably require more legal proceedings and such.

All told, the team paid T.O. $2,562,500 less than he was supposed to get overall.  $687,500 will be his total net compensation for this season.  Last season, he pocketed around $7 mill.  But there is little doubt that his association with Rosenhaus and his resulting ridiculousness has cost him LOTS of money.

Word.

Where did you get this FFatPatt?  That's classic if that's what is happening.
Do you know if the FO also collected Westbrook's fines, or did they just blow it off?

The first letter said they were going to do it, but I don't think they actually did - FF?  Were you basing this on the letter?

I think they decided to hold off on going after the bonus until after this hearing.  That way they would have cut-and-dry support for the inevitable grievance to come...