Sixers Season thread 2

[BigEd76]

In the Atlanta game, yes, but at Denver last night, he drilled the game winner with 4 seconds left...

[The BIGSTUD]

I found this on another site a while ago, it's pretty long, but here it is.

People always say Iverson's biggest fault is the amount of shots he takes. Well I did my homework, and this turns out to be not true. It seems the Sixers win more games when Iverson takes more shots.

2004-2005*

Less than 25 shot attempts: 18-20 / 47.4% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 39-43.

More than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 22-14 / 61.1% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 50-32.

More than or equal to 30 shot attempts: 9-3 / 75.0% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 62-20.

Some of you may believe that he's just shooting more in some games because he's actually hitting his shots, causing him to win more. Well that is not the case.

Less than 25 shot attempts: 335/789 - 42.5%

More than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 431/1018 - 42.3%

More than or equal to 30 shot attempts: 177/373 - 47.5%

So his field goal percentage for "less than" and "more than" 25 shot attempts are roughly the same, yet he wins more when he shoots more than 25 shot attempts. It does look as if when he takes 30+ shot attempts, he's really hitting his shots.

Now I wanted to make sure this wasn't just a one year fluke, so I did the same research for his entire career.

CAREER

Less than 25 shot attempts: 171-191 / 47.2% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 39-43.

More than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 141-101 / 58.3% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 48-34.

More than or equal to 30 shot attempts: 51-30 / 63.0% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 52-30.

So over his entire career, it follows roughly the same pattern. If Iverson shot roughly 25 or more shots per game for his entire career, he should theoretically have a better win-loss record than he currently has (312-292 / 51.7%).

Shot Average Per Season and Wins

1996-1997: 19.8 - 21-55 (27.6%)
1997-1998: 17.6 - 31-49 (38.8%)
1998-1999: 22.0 - 28-20 (58.3%)
1999-2000: 24.8 - 43-29 (61.4%)
2000-2001: 25.5 - 50-21 (70.4%)
2001-2002: 27.8 - 36-24 (60.0%)
2002-2003: 23.7 - 47-34 (57.3%)
2003-2004: 23.4 - 21-27 (43.8%)
2004-2005: 24.2 - 42-33 (56.0%)

So for the 4 seasons where he averaged 24 or more shot attempts, he had a combined record of 171-107 (61.5%) or an average season record of 50-32.

So therefore, Iverson shouldn't be criticized for taking so many shots, since he wins more if he chucks more.






I just recently talked to a poster in the Sixers forum, and they believe that the total shots isn't what makes Iverson hurt the team, it's the amount of plays begin and end with Iverson, so I'm going to dive into this matter a little bit deeper. I will be adding in the amount of assists and turnovers, since those are instances where the play would be beginning or ending with him.

2004-2005

Less than 6 assists: 5-11 / 31.3% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 26-56.

More than or equal to 6 assists: 35-23 / 60.3% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 50-32.

More than or equal to 10 assists: 15-8 / 65.2% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 54-28.

So now it's obvious that the more he passes, the more the team wins. Since he was talking possessions, I'll follow up by finding the win percentage with shots and assists intertwined.

Less than 6 assists with less than 25 shot attempts: 2-5 / 28.6% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 23-59.

Less than 6 assists with more than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 3-6 / 33.3% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 27-55.

No games were played where Iverson had less than 6 assists but more than, or equal to 30 shot attempts.


More than or equal to 6 assists with less than 25 shot attempts: 16-15 / 51.6% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 42-40.

More than or equal to 6 assists with more than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 19-8 / 70.4% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 58-24.

More than or equal to 6 assists with more than or equal to 30 shot attempts: 9-3 / 75.0% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 62-20.


More than or equal to 10 assists with less than 25 shot attempts: 6-4 / 60.0% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 49-33.

More than or equal to 10 assists with more than or equal to 25 shot attempts: 9-4 / 69.2% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 57-23.

More than or equal to 10 assists with more than or equal to 30 shot attempts: 3-0 / 100.0% - Over an 82 game stretch, that equals a record of roughly 82-0.

So now it shows that the more Iverson not only shoots, but has the ball in his hands leading to assists leads to an even more impressive win record. So pretty much, the more plays that begin and end with Iverson, the better the Sixers do.

[Sgt PSN]

That's a shteinload of research right there. 

[ice grillin you]

Unreal.  You bash McNabb for doing exactly, precisely the same thing yet there's nothing wrong with Iverson doing it.

ummm check the record kicko...i bash mcnabb for not ripping anyone at anytime...if mcnabb even hinted at ripping someone id kiss him on his forehead


i cant even believe there were 15 posts debating who in the last two minutes of a game should be have the ball iverson or john salmons

[hunt]

iverson's lucky that shot turned out to be his 13th make instead of his 18th miss because salmons was WIDE open for the 3 on that play.

[ice grillin you]

iverson's lucky that shot turned out to be his 13th make instead of his 18th miss because salmons was WIDE open for the 3 on that play.

would have been his 11th assist of the night too...IF salmons had made it...but id rather iverson be double teamed and take a granny shot from 25 than salmons shoot a wide open three

[SunMo]

iverson's lucky that shot turned out to be his 13th make instead of his 18th miss because salmons was WIDE open for the 3 on that play.

yeah, Denver left him wide open on purpose, hoping he'd get the ball and launch another unnecessary three.

my main problems with AI lie in how he runs the offense, especially early in games.  but in that situation, i'd want him shooting that shot if he was 0-20 in field goals.

[hunt]

jeesh...some people have no sense of humor.

[SunMo]

i honestly didn't realize you were joking because what you said was pretty in-line with everything else you say about AI

[hunt]

i honestly didn't realize you were joking because what you said was pretty in-line with everything else you say about AI

yeah...and because i've been advocating that the offense run through salmons at crunch time, right?

[SunMo]

no, it was more the AI "lucky it went in" comment.

maybe i would have realized it was a joke it was...you know, funny?


i still love you though.

[hunt]

no, it was more the AI "lucky it went in" comment.

maybe i would have realized it was a joke it was...you know, funny?


i still love you though.

thanks man...that means a lot, especially around the holidays.

[Rome]

no, it was more the AI "lucky it went in" comment.

maybe i would have realized it was a joke it was...you know, funny?


i still love you though.

thanks man...that means a lot, especially around the holidays.

[Magical_Retard]

im pretty sure they will lose tonight...its too much to ask for them to put 2 good back to back games esp since webber will do nothing tonight.


of course i would love to be wrong.

[BigEd76]

stupid Sixers