What's Wrong with the Defense?

[ice grillin you]

you continue to miss the point on simon...he would have made 5 mil for one year...THIS year...the same year that the eagles have more than 5 mil worth of cap money rotting in jeffery luries shoebox

thus there was absolutely no reason to not sign him for this year

[Wingspan]

thus there was absolutely no reason to not sign him for this year

correction: there was absolutely no reason for him not to sign him for this year.

how long was the tag on him where he could have signed and made $5M for gaining weight?

[ice grillin you]

correction: there was absolutely no reason for him to not sign him for this year.

sure there was...he instead wanted the long term contract he ended up getting..but the bottom line was he had no control over it...he could have sat out the year or he could have played and made 5 mil...and gotten his long term johnson in the offseason when he would have become an UFA

[methdeez]

you continue to miss the point on simon...he would have made 5 mil for one year...THIS year...the same year that the eagles have more than 5 mil worth of cap money rotting in jeffery luries shoebox

thus there was absolutely no reason to not sign him for this year

I cannot belive we are still having this argument.
IGY, HE NEVER SIGNED THE DEAL!!!
HE DIDN'T SIGN IT!
HE DIDN'T WANT THE $5 MILL DEAL!
Christ.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

sure there was...he instead wanted the long term contract he ended up getting..

Not really.  His contract has a huge option bonus next year which the Colts will likely not give him.

There was a reason for the Eagles not to pay him.  They felt that the 4-man rotation of Walker, Thomas, Patterson, and Rayburn was looking good in pre-season and deserved to play.  Oh well.

[SunMo]

you continue to miss the point on simon...he would have made 5 mil for one year...THIS year...the same year that the eagles have more than 5 mil worth of cap money rotting in jeffery luries shoebox

thus there was absolutely no reason to not sign him for this year

I cannot belive we are still having this argument.
IGY, HE NEVER SIGNED THE DEAL!!!
HE DIDN'T SIGN IT!
HE DIDN'T WANT THE $5 MILL DEAL!
Christ.

it was pretty well known he was going to sign the tender after the last pre-season game.  but if you really think he was going to sit home and not play this year i can't really help you with that.

[ice grillin you]

it was pretty well known he was going to sign the tender after the last pre-season game.  but if you really think he was going to sit home and not play this year i can't really help you with that

exactly

BUT

lets for fun say that he would have stuck to his guns and sat out the whole year...how is that any different than what ended up happening...

[methdeez]

Everyone acts like Cory was begging for some deal and that the Eagles refused to sign him. He refused $6 mill a year, refused to come to work and begged to be released.
What makes you think we could have gotten him to play for $6 mill a year? That's a total assumption. Who knows what his dumb ass would have done, or how long he would have sat out.

The bottom line is to attack the Eagles for not paying him $6 mill a year is so ass-backwards it would be funny if I hadn't heard it 100 times.
The wanted to give him $6 Mill! They asked him multiple times to take thier money!
And he wouldn't!
Why do you knuckleheads think that Banner secretly wanted to keep $6 million in his pocket?

[SunMo]

Everyone acts like Cory was begging for some deal and that the Eagles refused to sign him. He refused $6 mill a year, refused to come to work and begged to be released.
What makes you think we could have gotten him to play for $6 mill a year? That's a total assumption. Who knows what his dumb ass would have done, or how long he would have sat out.

The bottom line is to attack the Eagles for not paying him $6 mill a year is so ass-backwards it would be funny if I hadn't heard it 100 times.
The wanted to give him $6 Mill! They asked him multiple times to take thier money!
And he wouldn't!
Why do you knuckleheads think that Banner secretly wanted to keep $6 million in his pocket?

it's not about the money, it's about letting a player they had under their control walk away and their defense was worse off for it.

[Wingspan]

you continue to miss the point on simon...he would have made 5 mil for one year...THIS year...the same year that the eagles have more than 5 mil worth of cap money rotting in jeffery luries shoebox

thus there was absolutely no reason to not sign him for this year

I cannot belive we are still having this argument.
IGY, HE NEVER SIGNED THE DEAL!!!
HE DIDN'T SIGN IT!
HE DIDN'T WANT THE $5 MILL DEAL!
Christ.

it was pretty well known he was going to sign the tender after the last pre-season game.  but if you really think he was going to sit home and not play this year i can't really help you with that.

yeah, you want all your oversized undershape defensive linemen to not get any practice time before the season starts.

if he intended to sign it, he should have signed it, period. end of story...the fact that he wanted to wait until after the last preseason game just goes to show how much will and dedication he had to his team at the time.

if nothing was going to change one way or the other, why didnt he sign it right away?

he never had any intention of signing it, or signing long term with the eagles. he got his way.

[SunMo]

he never had any intention of signing it, or signing long term with the eagles. he got his way.

oh ok, so he would've just stopped playing football then?  good to know you have that information.

like IGY said, even in the unrealistic event that Simon did sit out the year, what's the difference to the team than what happened this year?

[DH]

Financially, I guess Corey could have been signed for this year. But realistically, how much a difference would it have made? It's real easy to sit here and comment on the ineptitude of our DT's and think that the guy who we "let get away" would have changed things. Not Burgess nor Simon nor Reese would change what is going on right now. The problems with this defense go a whole lot deeper than the 2 or 3 guys we let go. Kearse is overpaid; Our LB's are undersized; our secondary has gotten cocky, etc...

I'm tired of people thinking Corey was worth the money because Indy is 13-0, and their D has become a respectable unit.

News flash: Indy would be 13-0 without him. Bob Sanders, Mike Doss, Larry Tripplett, Dwight Freeney, etc...These guys are the reason the Colts D has improved; Doughboy has little to do with it.

[Rome]

News flash: Indy would be 13-0 without him. Bob Sanders, Mike Doss, Larry Tripplett, Dwight Freeney, etc...These guys are the reason the Colts D has improved; Doughboy has little to do with it.

If you keep making sense like this, people are going to stop thinking you're insane.  Do you really want that?

[SunMo]

but it's not even about what the guys are doing with their new teams, i would even say that when people where sucking off the Eagles FO because Trotter was awful in Washington.  it's not about what they are doing somewhere else, it's about who's in their place here.  a DT line rotation of Walker, Thomas, Rayburn, and Patterson has not gotten the job done.  it's my opinion that had Simon been in that rotation they would've been better.

but DH is right about the defense, it's more than the line, the OLBs are horrible and need to be upgraded. 

[ice grillin you]

Financially, I guess Corey could have been signed for this year. But realistically, how much a difference would it have made?

little if any...once mcnabb got the hernia in the atlanta game that was it for the team

but at the time it was a terrible move...when youre a team about to make a superbowl run you dont let your best player at a position walk for free...especially when you could have had him for essentially nothing

so yes looking back on everything thats happened its obvious that letting corey go didnt mean anything...but why does everyone look back on that now and say the birds made the right move...but when they look back on the burgess situation its "well he wanted too much money"...cant have it both ways