Al Harris quote on T.O.

[PhillyGirl]

Thats the thing, McNabb HAS said that. He's a leader on the team, either you're with him or you're not.

And stupid? What is STUPID?

That Vick can honestly think TO would conform to ANY locker room. STUPID. STUPID. STUPID.

[Syracuse]

I'd actually like to see him go to Atlanta. There'd be lines in Vegas as to how long it would take for him to go nuts on Vick for not throwing him the ball.

[Wingspan]

Thats the thing, McNabb HAS said that. He's a leader on the team, either you're with him or you're not.

yeah, he said it after this all came about...he should have said it months ago. but i digress

And stupid? What is STUPID?

That Vick can honestly think TO would conform to ANY locker room. STUPID. STUPID. STUPID.

uh...he didnt say that according to the article...he said he would have to if he wanted to play for atlanta...not that he will.

[ice grillin you]

why would you possibly hate vick for those comments...or is it out of envy??

mcnabb has NEVER drawn a line in the sand like that before...not even close

hell say stuff like everyone looks to me to lead cause im the quarterback...or the quarterback is the leader of the team...he speaks in general terms...but even today at his presser he said hes not a rah rah type leader thats gonna get in someones face...hes the kind of guy that goes out on the field and leads by example...meaning by definition he is a leader because his position is qb...but hes not a true leader like vick showed in that piece

just because youre a good player doesnt make you a leader (see TO)

[General_Failure]

Since when does McNabb have to tell anyone it's his team?  Is there anyone that doesn't know that?

That quote doesn't make Vick a leader. It makes him a posessive little kid. The boss doesn't have to tell you he's the god damned boss.

[ice grillin you]

That quote doesn't make Vick a leader. It makes him a posessive little kid. The boss doesn't have to tell you he's the god damned boss.

ummm we are talking about TO here...all rules go out the window with him...vick is being proactive in that hes making it loud and clear on what to expect if and when TO comes to the team

and youre fooling yourself if you think the eagle locker room considers it mcnabbs team....again they will support mcnabb because hes the qb and they have to but theres a reason why the locker room was eerily quiet during all the attacks TO laid on mcnabb and theres a reason why many players would take TO back in a heartbeat even now...the fact that no one defended mcnabb when all this ish was going on speaks volumes...mcnabb is well liked but hes not well respected on this team

[General_Failure]

Or, and I know this may be difficult for you to understand, we've got a locker room full of guys that follow the Reid/McNabb philosophy of "the press doesn't need to know."

Now I don't listen to any of the crap that passes as media these days. I know a few players have radio shows and whatnot, but I don't know what they say on them. Don't care, either. I do know that I haven't heard much of anything from the players on any of the issues that have come up. Once in a while you hear someone say "we need to run more" or "I should be paid more" but you never see someone banging a shoe on a podium with several teammates nodding in agreement behind them.

[ice grillin you]

all im saying is mcnabb is a great person but lacks the intestinal fortitude to be a great leader...its something youre born with either you have it or you dont and mcnabb clearly doesnt

[General_Failure]

We're going to have to agree to disagree here before someone actually takes the bait and really argues this with you.

[MURP]

lol.  all your doing is taking SAS's pile of crap article and running with it.   blah blah. 

[ice grillin you]

cept ive been spewing this crap before sas knew what a football was

i dont gank other peoples thoughts...its funny tho...i hadnt even read the paper and didnt know sas even wrote about this today until kornheiser mentioned it on pti about seven minutes after i posted it

[General_Failure]

Dude. English.

[WEST is GOD]

These players that say they would love to have TO on their teams are naive. They have no idea how out of control TO is. He respects nobody but himself, and gets offended by the smallest of things. Then when he gets offended he will hold a lifetime grudge against the player(regardless if he says it or not) and then he will act like a child until he gets his way.

So Joe Horn and Al Harris can talk about how much they'd love to have TO all they want, and that's fine if they want him for his talent only, but to think they can keep him under control and in check when the guy gets offended by things like "I think we can still win the SB without TO" then they just don't know what is in store.

[LBIggle]

al harris.  hahaahahahah.  nice. 

TO would be perfect for green bay.  misery loves company.

he can go there maybe help them finish 3-13 and watch farvrah pack it in at the end of the season and be stuck with a real POS qb for the remainder of his career.  i'd do it for a high draft pick.  make it happen.

[Feva]

all im saying is mcnabb is a great person but lacks the intestinal fortitude to be a great leader...its something youre born with either you have it or you dont and mcnabb clearly doesnt

You need to expand your idea of what a leader is.  You've got to remember that 51 other players are looking to McNabb for leadership too.  The Eagles (and McNabb) have always been about "taking the high road" and keeping the focus on football.  If McNabb, lowers himself down to TO and spews venom back at TO... then the media shteinstorm only intensifies and then you have the full blown distraction you're saying that guys like Vick would be equipped to avoid.

You don't have to get in someone's face in order to be considered a great leader on a team.  You don't think that McNabb's handling of the Limbaugh bullshtein galvanized and rallied his team behind him?  You don't think they gained respect for him for pressing on the way he did?  McNabb didn't say shtein to Limbaugh... didn't call him out... yet he spoke volumes about his leadership qualities.  There's a thing called leading by example and McNabb has got that shtein down to a science.

Through all the TO's bullshtein, McNabb tried to keep himself and 51 other teammates focused on Eagles football.  If that's not a leader, I don't know what is.