interesting howard poll today...

ice grillin you · October 25, 2005, 03:55:43 PM

where would you rate andy reid amongst the head coaches in the nfl

a. first (the best)
b. second
c. third
d. not in the top 5

PhillyGirl · October 25, 2005, 04:01:14 PM

rjs246 · October 25, 2005, 04:02:38 PM

Hm...
I think that something has to be said for AR putting a team together that has been able to consistantly produce for six consecutive years. He took an under-talented team and made them into winners, and has kept a very talented team at a high level for several years. He's been to 4 conference title games and a super bowl. From 30,000 feet those are the accomplishments of a premier HC.

The problems arise when you put a microscope on his in-game coaching, which can be farging terrible. He regularly mismanages the clock. He hates running the ball. He doesn't make adjustments like other premier coaches (if at all) and he frequently gets outcoached on the little things that can make a difference. This should not be surprising since this is the first head coaching job he's ever had, but that doesn't excuse him from making these mistakes that, frankly, I wouldn't make if I were coaching a pop warner team.

So I guess my assessment is that he isn't a very good in-game coach, but in every other way he is one of, if not THE best in the league.

SunMo · October 25, 2005, 04:02:43 PM

Bellichek is 1st, obviously. Then I think I would go Gibbs (we are talking about overall body of work). Then I would go Parcells. Then I would go Shanahan. Then I would go Holmgren. And I think I would put Cowher slightly ahead of Reid.

So, I would have him 7th.

Don Ho · October 25, 2005, 04:03:58 PM

Just heard that.

Obviuosly with all the crap that's gone on the past two games it was easy to say not even the top 5. More I thought about it, who is better? Dungy? Gruden? Gibbs? Coughlin? Parcell's - until Sundays meltdown. Mora - please!

This is a tough one.

SunMo · October 25, 2005, 04:05:11 PM

forgot about Gruden, he's ahead of AR, not sure where though....

ice grillin you · October 25, 2005, 04:06:33 PM

since you wont choose yourself...do you dare to predict which choice will win...theres an interesting dichotomy amongst the eagles fans towards reid...and with this poll you have a show whos host is a reid lapdog but you have andy getting quite a bit of criticism lately with the play calling/clock managment issues...im interested to see how the voting goes...altho the choices themselves are slanted in reids favor...but thats to be expected since the god eskin came up with the question

ice grillin you · October 25, 2005, 04:07:57 PM

Obviuosly with all the crap that's gone on the past two games it was easy to say not even the top 5

yes...this is exactly what makes the question particularly intriguing

Don Ho · October 25, 2005, 04:08:34 PM

Quote from: Sun_Mo on October 25, 2005, 04:02:43 PM
Bellichek is 1st, obviously. Then I think I would go Gibbs (we are talking about overall body of work). Then I would go Parcells. Then I would go Shanahan. Then I would go Holmgren. And I think I would put Cowher slightly ahead of Reid.

So, I would have him 7th.

I thought about Shanahan. The guy doesn't get a whole lot of credit. It seems that other than the later Elway years and Rod Smith(could throw in Mike Anderson), he seems to have an entirely new team every two years. Total change in personnel. Somehow he makes the playoffs almost every year.

SunMo · October 25, 2005, 04:09:08 PM

i think it's easy to say he's not in the top 5 because there are more than 5 coaches better than him.

rjs246 · October 25, 2005, 04:10:14 PM

I don't think there are more than five coaches in the league who could have taken the team that Andy Reid inherited and made them into winners in such short order. So based on that alone he is top five. Easily.

PhillyPhreak54 · October 25, 2005, 04:21:12 PM

Top 5.

ice grillin you · October 25, 2005, 04:24:49 PM

belichek
parcells
gibbs
vermeil
gruden
shanahan
cowher
holmgren

are all definitely better

id put andy in the mix with tony dungy jeff fisher john fox and tom coughlin

hes borderline top 10

SunMo · October 25, 2005, 04:24:49 PM

Quote from: rjs246 on October 25, 2005, 04:10:14 PM
I don't think there are more than five coaches in the league who could have taken the team that Andy Reid inherited and made them into winners in such short order. So based on that alone he is top five. Easily.

that's a very specific criteria...

it's head coaches. so you have to take personel decisions out of the mix. so head coaching is teaching, player management, and all the in-game stuff that leads to winning games. i don't think he's top five.

SunMo · October 25, 2005, 04:25:47 PM

Quote from: ice grillin you on October 25, 2005, 04:24:49 PM
belichek
parcells
gibbs
vermeil
gruden
shanahan
cowher
holmgren

are all definitely better

id put andy in the mix with tony dungy jeff fisher john fox and tom coughlin

hes borderline top 10

i don't agree with vermeil, but otherwise, your on