Phillies Offseason Talk

[ice grillin you]

i like him overall...i think he would be a fantastic piece to rebuiding the bullpen...i just question him as a closer...he was way less than a strikeout per inning last year...not exactly closer stuff...

i suppose he could be another todd jones...but that would be really rare

well see

[MURP]

well if Gordon does end up sucking his contract is not a back breaker, which I find to be a big positive on a team that pays Lieberdouche 7 million +. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Gordon's contract is, however, quite large for a non-closer.  I think he definitely is the go-to guy for the next couple of years at minimum.  No one else on the roster is MORE suited for closing, even if Gordon isn't perfect.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Goodbye "Enter Sandman".

Hello to THIS!

[MDS]

130 press conference will be comcast

amaro said abreu isnt going anywhere (unless they get an ace). duh.

[hunt]

tom gordon as closer
you guys are gonna absolutely love him!

[SD_Eagle5]

Ehhh...I wanted Gordon but more as a setup man for Wagner. So we refuse to give a 34 year old pitcher a 4 year deal but will give a 38 year old pitcher a 3 year deal? That makes perfect sense 

We've gotten worse. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

according to jayson stark, phils are close to signing tom gordon. probably 3 years 18 mil.

So, they won't sign a 34-year-old to a 4-year deal, but they'll sign a 38-year-old to a 3-year deal.  w0ot.

Ehhh...I wanted Gordon but more as a setup man for Wagner. So we refuse to give a 34 year old pitcher a 4 year deal but will give a 38 year old pitcher a 3 year deal? That makes perfect sense 

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[ice grillin you]

So, they won't sign a 34-year-old to a 4-year deal, but they'll sign a 38-year-old to a 3-year deal

do you guys not understand that the wagner contract is for way more dollars..both per year and overall...this has nothing to do with the length of the deals


i did come up with another positive on gordon tho...hes terrible in the playoffs but thats a plus since with the phils hell never have to pitch in them

[BigEd76]

2006 = $4.5M
2007 = $7M
2008 = $5.5M
2009 = $4.5M option or $1M buyout

They also apparently released Pedro Liriano and Franklin Perez, though the source KFFL supposedly got it from doesn't say anything about it.... 

Edit:  AP confirmed it

[PhillyPhreak54]

Ehhh...I wanted Gordon but more as a setup man for Wagner. So we refuse to give a 34 year old pitcher a 4 year deal but will give a 38 year old pitcher a 3 year deal? That makes perfect sense 

We've gotten worse. 

4 years = $43M
3 years = $18M

Yes they are close in terms of length, but in no way are they close in cash. Everyone knows I wanted Wags back, but not at that money.

And they had to give Tom Gordon a 3 year deal because of what Wags and Ryan got. Trevor Hoffman, Bob Wickman and all of the others out there will likely get 3 years too.

The way I look at it is...we had to get someone.

I would still go after Baez too.

[SD_Eagle5]

The way I look at it is...we had to get someone.

They went the cheap route -- again. We free'd up enough cash when we traded Thome to re-sign Wagner. Now we've got an older, unproven relief pitcher at a lesser price. Great. From what Gillick's saying we're not going to sign anyone else, so we've cut a ton of payroll and have gotten worse doing so.

[MDS]

you wanted to match 4 years 43 mil?

[SD_Eagle5]

you wanted to match 4 years 43 mil?

I wasn't in favor of it at first, but seeing what the markets dictating for closers why not? Wagner will be Gordon's age once the deals up. He's one of the top 3 closers in the game. Where else is that money going to be spent? *Nowhere*

[MDS]

next year towards a catcher and third basemen. more starting pitching.