Phillies Offseason Talk

[MDS]

thats why i dont think we need to get one of those guys. let the other teams dish out 6 and 8 mil for 40 year old relievers. we can trade for a middle of the run capable reliever (like another aaron fultz) to get some consistancy in the pen. give madson and tejeda and maybe even padilla a shot to win the job. spend the time and money on starting pitching, like getting matt morris. adding morris would give the phillies 4 quality starters, and one open spot (i presume its time gavin floyd, despite is awful year last year, got a shot) for battle.

[MURP]

Cant blame Gillick for Lieberdouche... but I can blame Monty for Lieberdouche.  farg you Monty. 

[Rome]

Wagner is a gigantic lying bag of puss.

I hope he dies bloody and screaming.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I created a sexy p-chop of Gordon in a retro Phillies jersey, but my FTP server is down.  Drat!

[MDS]

oh man that would have been super cool!

[MDS]

done deal. 3 years, between 18-21 mil for thomas gordon. meh.

[Rome]

Wagner sucks/Gordon Rulez!

3 Years/$18M per ESPN...

[Rome]

I created a sexy p-chop of Gordon in a retro Phillies jersey, but my FTP server is down.  Drat!

Pork Chop?

[PhillyPhreak54]

While I have some reservations about signing Gordon to the 3/18 deal, the fact of the matter was that is market value. Ryan's and Wagner's deals drove the closers market sky high, boys. And the Spanks gave Farnsworth 3/17 to be a set-up guy. In baseball age doesn't really play a lot in negotiations. Look no further than people still willing to sign Jamie Moyer, Kenny Rogers are other senior citizens to big money deals.

Gordon still has some nice heat and his hook is very nice.

Sal Fasano? The only thing I can say about him is he is a very good defensive catcher. I watched several O's games last year when he was catching and he has a nice glove.

Gillick isn't done. I believe we'll see a SP, another bench player and 2 more relievers. Winter meetings will heat up the hot stove.

[bobbyinlondon]

While I have some reservations about signing Gordon to the 3/18 deal, the fact of the matter was that is market value. Ryan's and Wagner's deals drove the closers market sky high, boys. And the Spanks gave Farnsworth 3/17 to be a set-up guy. In baseball age doesn't really play a lot in negotiations. Look no further than people still willing to sign Jamie Moyer, Kenny Rogers are other senior citizens to big money deals.

Gordon still has some nice heat and his hook is very nice.

Sal Fasano? The only thing I can say about him is he is a very good defensive catcher. I watched several O's games last year when he was catching and he has a nice glove.

Gillick isn't done. I believe we'll see a SP, another bench player and 2 more relievers. Winter meetings will heat up the hot stove.

Freak---have the Yankees positively signed Farnsworth? I've been reading that they are now not the only team involved.

[bobbyinlondon]

according to jayson stark, phils are close to signing tom gordon. probably 3 years 18 mil.

So, they won't sign a 34-year-old to a 4-year deal, but they'll sign a 38-year-old to a 3-year deal.  w0ot.


As for Wagner, he did CLAIM that he would have signed for 3/$24m in the summer, but the Phillies are claiming that as soon as they offered it, he upped his demands to 3/$27m.  Then, they offered that, and he upped them again.  He wanted to be a free agent all along.  Everything else is just smoke and mirrors.

Either way, you can't blame Gillick for losing Wagner.  You can blame Monty/Wade/Amaro/Wagner/Stringfellow...
...but not Gillick.

I seem to remember reading that first, Wagner DIDN'T WANT TO TALK contract with the Phils, because he said it would have been a distraction. Then, just AFTER the All-Star break, he was making noise about why didn't they talk to him? In mid-August, it was written that they had previously upped their offer from 2 years, 24M to the 3 year 24M deal, then he revised his needs to 27M. The Phils waited until October to offer him the 3 year 27M deal, then he upped it to 30M.  That's when I realized he never wanted to saty in Philly. How about him telling everyone who would listen that "the money is not going to be important. It's where I'm going to be living with my family". Then, in the Mets news conference, he utters things like, "the NTC was the big decider" and "it was the Mets' offer to lose all along". When he said those things, it was plain to see what was on his mind. I'll be laughing my gonads off if the Phils finish with a playoff spot ahead of the Mets.

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Winter meetings will heat up the hot stove.

Yay for trite ESPN lingo!

[SunMo]

Winter meetings will heat up the hot stove.

Yay for trite ESPN lingo!

c'mon, he's got a motor that doesn't stop, he's always giving 110%

[ice grillin you]

gordon is going to be a nightmare of a closer...at this point in his career he cannot handle that

imo he is being brought in as a multi use late inning reliever...they dont want him to be the closer but he will be if all else fails...it wouldnt surprise me to see someone else have the job out of camp...and if not...definitely by the end of the year

[Rome]

gordon is going to be a nightmare of a closer...at this point in his career he cannot handle that

imo he is being brought in as a multi use late inning reliever...they dont want him to be the closer but he will be if all else fails...it wouldnt surprise me to see someone else have the job out of camp...and if not...definitely by the end of the year

First, I hope you're wrong and I think you are, actually.

Gordon pitched extremely well in the biggest pressure cooker in professional sports, so it's not as if the strain of pitching the ninth inning for the Phillies will make much difference to him.

The guy still has great stuff.  By all accounts, he's healthy and ready to go.

I honestly can't see a downside to his signing unless he breaks down physically.  Of course, any pitcher at any time is susceptible to breaking down, so...