Phillies Offseason Talk

[ice grillin you]

id rather have urbina a couple starters than just wagner...or urbina and a real third baseman and/or catcher than wagner

whats the point of giving wagner 30 mil and doing nothing else

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

The fact that they are thinking about re-signing Urbina as the closer if they can't sign Wags should be enough to scare any Phillies fan into wanting the team to give Billy his full asking price PRONTO.

[PhillyPhreak54]

id rather have urbina a couple starters than just wagner...or urbina and a real third baseman and/or catcher than wagner

whats the point of giving wagner 30 mil and doing nothing else

But you're not going to get "a couple starters". And I'd prefer one stud over a couple of bums, ya know?

1. #1 dude
2. Lieber
3. Myers
4. Madson/Lidle
5. Madson/Lidle/Floyd

Thats the rotation I'm lookin at.

And if Ugie is indeed in trouble for doing that stuff no way they bring him back. I like Ugie, but I like him as a set-up guy whch he will not do here.

Hunsicker can find a good 3B out there. There's role players to be had. We've got power elsewhere. Just need a high average/good defense guy. Something a real GM can find.

[ice grillin you]

i want wagner dont get me wrong...but what good is he at 30 mil with a no trade if he limits what they can do for the next three years...if they can keep him and it not effect what they do elsewhere then im all for it

[SD_Eagle5]

I don't want Ugie here, not as a setup man or a closer. Let him bitch about the way he's used and blow games elsewhere.

[SunMo]

the only reason i have a problem with the money is that it makes it tougher to trade Wagner if they need too. 

my main problem is giving a guarenteed, full no-trade to a 34 year old power pitcher with history of injuries.

what happens if the Phils make some nice moves over the next year or so and they are rounding into a true contendor in 2 years and Wagner is just plain done at 36?  they won't be able to trade him with that contract and if he has a full no-trade, any trade you are able to make would have to be approved by him.  just something to think about.

i think you go balls out to sign wags if you think you can win next year.  i don't think they can, the rotation is in shambles and the lineup is not good enough.  maybe they can make enough moves to make themselves a contender next year, but I doubt it.

i would be more willing to go with a younger, proven guy like B.J. Ryan.  someone you has a better chance of being around and effective when the Phillies can be a true contender

[SD_Eagle5]

I know closers are a valuable commodity, but Wags is crazy if he thinks he's going to get a $30 million guaranteed deal with a NTC from anywhere.

They need to get their choice as GM in place immediately.

[Wingspan]

lidle and floyd suck.

and will continue to do so until proven otherwise.

[PhillyGirl]

lidle and floyd suck.

and will continue to do so until proven otherwise.

Lidle doesn't suck. 

[SD_Eagle5]

Link

League sources indicate that the Phillies plan to move Madson from the bullpen, where he has spent his first two seasons, and make him a starter, most likely to replace enigmatic talent Vicente Padilla. The Phillies are not expected to offer arbitration to Padilla. Madson probably would join 2001 first-round pick Gavin Floyd in the back of the rotation.

[ice grillin you]

Lidle doesn't suck

for a number 5 he doesnt...in fact hes pretty damn good in that slot

[SunMo]

Link

League sources indicate that the Phillies plan to move Madson from the bullpen, where he has spent his first two seasons, and make him a starter, most likely to replace enigmatic talent Vicente Padilla. The Phillies are not expected to offer arbitration to Padilla. Madson probably would join 2001 first-round pick Gavin Floyd in the back of the rotation.

i could so totally go PG on you right now, but I won't

[SD_Eagle5]

I'm gonna delete it before she sees it 

[PhillyGirl]

I'm gonna delete it before she sees it 

I had already seen it. No worries.

[Wingspan]

yeah...a 4.5+ era is really really not suck worthy

he only went past the 6th inning 4 times since july 4th.