Phillies Offseason Talk

[PhillyPhreak54]

Marzano on Cataldi's TV show says he's hearing:

Thome & Bell to Seattle

-for-

Adrian Beltre

And that Bobby Abreu will be traded too.

[Rome]

Did he say where Abreu was going?

[Dillen]

how exactly does that work out with no GM?

[Rome]

Wait a second... strike that.

Why would they be planning any big moves now?  They don't have a GM selected yet.  One would think that the new GM would probably like to have a say in the structuring of the club.

*** Unless ***

Amaro, Jr.'s already been given the job.

If that's the case, Bin Laden would be safer in Philly than Dave Montgomery would be at this point...

[PhillyPhreak54]

He said that he was hearing this before Wade got fired. But obviously if Seattle wants Thome and Bell they'll still call back regardless who is the GM. Actually, I think it is more of Seattle wanting to dump that fatass salary of Beltre's. Scott Boras pulled the wool over the eyes of another club.

He didn't say where he heard Abreu was being shopped to. But I think they realize that they need to move either him or Burrell to free up salary to get pitching, C and 3B.

Thome
Bell
Abreu

If those 3 are gone...that is some SERIOUS cash that they will have freed up, guys.

[Sgt PSN]

I'd much rather see them move Loserthal than Abreu but I think I'm just stating the obvious on that one. 

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Maybe Abreu can start playing catcher.

[Geowhizzer]

He said that he was hearing this before Wade got fired. But obviously if Seattle wants Thome and Bell they'll still call back regardless who is the GM. Actually, I think it is more of Seattle wanting to dump that fatass salary of Beltre's. Scott Boras pulled the wool over the eyes of another club.

He didn't say where he heard Abreu was being shopped to. But I think they realize that they need to move either him or Burrell to free up salary to get pitching, C and 3B.

Thome
Bell
Abreu

If those 3 are gone...that is some SERIOUS cash that they will have freed up, guys.

Thome and Bell for Beltre?  I'd do it.  I'm not confident that Thome will come back from the back injury to be nearly as productive as his salary commands.  And Bell sucks.

Beltre?  He's not as good as 2004, but he'll hit 25-35 HRs (probably 25-30) if he can hit 19 at the canyon called Safeco.  Can't take a walk to save his life, though (38 BB, 108 Ks, .303 OBP)

[MDS]

First off John Marzano has no connections. He's a dolt.

Second off, the Beltre trade is fine. He is much better than David Bell, and there is no possible way to avoid paying Thome's salary or a salary equal to that.

Third off, as I said, trading Abreu would be extreamly detremental to this team, unless its for an ace.

Beltre would be the #5 RBI option in this lineup. Figure him batting 7th or 6th. In Seattle, he was right up there Sexson. Less pressure, better pitches to hit, smaller ballpark.....he could quite effective, or at least a billion times better than Bell. This would also free up some salary. I'm for the deal, I think its pretty good (a chance to get a superstar if he mirrors what he did in 04, or at worst a .260 hitting 3b that frees up Bells contract and solves the 1b problem).

Again, Marzano=douche with no connections.

[SunMo]

First off John Marzano has no connections. He's a dolt.

Second off, the Beltre trade is fine. He is much better than David Bell, and there is no possible way to avoid paying Thome's salary or a salary equal to that.

Third off, as I said, trading Abreu would be extreamly detremental to this team, unless its for an ace.

Beltre would be the #5 RBI option in this lineup. Figure him batting 7th or 6th. In Seattle, he was right up there Sexson. Less pressure, better pitches to hit, smaller ballpark.....he could quite effective, or at least a billion times better than Bell. This would also free up some salary. I'm for the deal, I think its pretty good (a chance to get a superstar if he mirrors what he did in 04, or at worst a .260 hitting 3b that frees up Bells contract and solves the 1b problem).

Again, Marzano=douche with no connections.

how do you know he has no connections?  chances are, you don't have a clue.

either way, i don't care, he knows baseball and can talk baseball better than anybody else on tv or radio

[MDS]

What? Are you kidding? Is this an Avenger with Eskin situation or are you just joking?

[Geowhizzer]

Wade Fired

No joke. It happened.

YES!

[PhillyPhreak54]

Johnny Marz annoys me sometimes, but I think he knows a little bit since he hangs around CBP so much.

Best at talking baseball in Philly or overall? In Philly, I would agree. Although Dennis Deitch and Randy Miller are very good too.

Nationally I like Ken Rosenthal and Buster Olney.

MDS,

I was against trading Bobby A, but if there is a market for him, then I do it. I really like him and want him to stay here, but we need an ace and he can fetch you an ace on the market I think.

1. Victorino/Rollins
2. Rollins/ Victorino
3. Utley
4. Burrell
5. Howard
6. Beltre
7. RF
8. C

[PhillyPhreak54]

I'd much rather see them move Loserthal than Abreu but I think I'm just stating the obvious on that one. 

We couldn't trade Mike Lieberthal to the Yomiyuri Giants for a bag of rotten fish guts.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Also, Marz has Seattle connections too. He used to play there and he likes to talk about it all the time when he's name dropping Griffey or ARod into a conversation.