hello

[eaglessuck]

im a raider fan and im new here.  i have a couple questions for u guys.

1.)  how come u didnt win the superbowl last year?  u had all the pieces...

2.)  how many superbowls have u guys won?  i dont know much about this great franchise so forgive me...

3.)  y did u get rid of simon?

4.)  y dont u just pay T.O. already!

5.)  y did u guys boo the crap out of mcnabb when he was drafted?  u guys arent racist r u?

6.)  y was that idiot on cold pizza the other day?  that guy must have been embarrassing...

thank you and good luck!

[ParkingLotFlagDude]

Welcome,

I see your new to football too, let me help...

1) In playoff football the best teams play a one and done tournament, so when two great teams play on any given Sunday anything can happen.  (Same thing can explain your 0-3 start this year - any given Sunday anything can happen)

2) Depends on what you mean by Superbowl, if you mean Worldwide Championships then we have won several.  If you mean the same game but after the NFL changed the name and rigged it to be a cash generating machine, then sadly we've been to a couple but haven't won yet, likely to change this year,  hope to see you there...right?   you guys are making it to Detroit this year right?

3) Being a "good" player, missing camp, reporting so out of shape that you don't get in shape till week 9, is cool.....  just not $5+ million cool.

4)We DID pay him, what the 1 yr old contract called for, we would never let him or his family starve.

5)We are not racist, SOME fans wanted another black dude who could run really fast, (he also like to smoke a lotta dope, and will return to Miami in week five).  When the team drafted the first piece of their multi year rebuilding plan they failed to consult with these fans who were caught off guard in New York and overreacted a bit .  These fans now admit they were wrong and keep saying so over..and over.

6) Sadly I have a job and cannot stay at home and watch TV all day.  If you could describe said idiot I may be able to tell you more about him.

I would love to talk more, but the sun is coming up and I must get going to my tailgate down at the stadium.

Sorry about your 0-3 start I am sure you guys will bounce back and make the playoffs     

[StevieLeftCollege]

you cant be that oblivious to football...

[Rome]

Internet jibberish is the kewelest!

[MDS]

i think i found someone more pathetic than me.

[SD_Eagle5]

I have some questions of my own:

1. Ever hear of 'Hooked on Phonics'?
2. Will the Raiders ever make the playoffs again?
3. Are you still crying over the 'Tuck Rule'?
4. Does it upset your fanbase when you pay a guy millions of dollars to an admitted pothead who also admits to taking plays off?
5. Why don't Raider fans accept October 31st as Halloween instead of every Sunday home game?
6. Were you embarrassed when Chokeland lost SuperBowl 37 in the first quarter?
7. How's Barrett Robbins holding up these days? Did you guys make him an honorary member of the 'Black Hole' yet?
8. Do you feel insulted when fans refer to your neck of the woods as 'The Gay Area'?
9. Does it upset you - in the least bit - that your QB is a drunken racist?
10. Do you feel TwinkieKilla aka Mr. Camden aka Sapp earned his pay last season? I don't.

[PhillyPhreak54]

Listen up you little zit faced farg...learn how to spell and type. This isn't your little high school chatroom on AIM where you discuss your viriginity.

Now go farg yourself.

[Reidme]

I am an Eagles fan. I take pride in my team, and am fully aware of a lack of Lombardi trophies, a notoriously overreacting fanbase with a very loud minority of lunatic fringe type wagon jumpers. I also am very proud of my fellow Eagles fans and my team, and somewhat respectful of a competent ownership, although I often disagree with some of their business moves. This pride swells when I look west. The Raider Nation is often compared to the Eagles fanbase. "Just Win Baby" and "Commitment to Excellence" are tired cliches that ring hollow when you examine the Black & Silver.

The owner in Oakland is a shadow of the man he used to be. He has sued his city and his league, made poor business decisions, and continues to point blame at everyone except the man responsible, himself. The fans, once original and radical, continue to look more and more alike in attempt to appear unique. Their fringe fans know little about the team, but simply take pride in their black unis and logo. I can't help but think they resemble a European Soccer fanbase.

When the Raiders lost miserably in their last SuperBowl, the mobs took to the streets, looting, overturning cars, and finally had to be subdued with teargas and rubber bullets.

San Francisco Chronicle

Monday, January 27, 2003


   
Anarchy broke out on the streets of Oakland Sunday night when beefed- up police forces proved inadequate to stem eruptions of mayhem after the Raiders' loss in the Super Bowl.

Hundreds of police with riot gear, squad cars and helicopters were no match for larger numbers of troublemakers in scattered locations along International Boulevard who set fires, smashed windows and destroyed property, including a McDonald's restaurant that was ransacked and partially burned.

More than 50 blocks of International had stretches of virtually lawless zones nearly three hours after the Super Bowl.

At least 12 cars were set on fire, many windows were smashed, some businesses were broken into and looted, bus benches were pushed over and street signs ripped down as police battled bottle-throwing rioters with tear gas, rubber bullets and flash-stun grenades.

Extra police officers -- about 400 in all -- had been summoned to cope with possible riots in case the Raiders won, after a post-victory melee the week before when revelers burned out an auto-repair shop, smashed windows, destroyed a car and lit fires in the street. This time, about 250 Oakland police officers were joined by Alameda County sheriff's deputies, California Highway Patrol officers and Oakland Housing Authority officers, said Oakland police spokesman George Phillips.

But the post-defeat mayhem after the Super Bowl proved worse.

"We lost, and that bothers a lot of the young people out here," said Hannibal Willis, a member of the rap group Hazardous Materials. "A lot of them are real Raider friends. I ain't gonna lie -- if we had won, we would have done the same thing, but milder."

The trouble began about a half hour after the Raiders lost to Tampa Bay, when a crowd of about 200 people began gathering at International Boulevard and 37th Avenue and began marching up International, the same area where the mini-riot occurred the week before.

They taunted police, jumped on cars and threw bottles. The noisy crowd screamed and yelled, "Raiders rule. F-- the police."

About 60 officers formed a phalanx across International and stopped the crowd from advancing, firing tear gas and flash-bang grenades that sent troublemakers running down side streets. One car was nearly turned over before the driver managed to escape. Police closed the street to traffic.

But within minutes, things elsewhere got out of control and -- off and on --

stayed that way for the next five hours. As soon as police rushed to one hot spot, the rioters would regroup elsewhere.

Several burned-out cars were visible at the intersection of International and 63rd Avenue, where a McDonald's had its windows and signs smashed, supplies ransacked and sustained fire damage.

Manager Richard Hsieh and friends quickly began boarding up the windows. Asked whether he was surprised by the damage, he said, "No, I've lived in Oakland for 25 years. What can I say?"

A group of police officers in riot gear stood on the street nearby with a dozen people in their teens and 20s facing them from 15 yards away.

"If we approach them, we get bottles thrown," said Sgt. Ralph Leu. "This is their entertainment. Some are probably locals, but some have come from out of town for the action."

At 49th and International, a Kelly Moore paint store was broken into and looted.

At 90th and International, a group of young people threw bottles at police, forcing officers there to retreat to 92nd Avenue and regroup.

Another crowd set fires in International near 63rd Avenue. When fire trucks arrived, they were hit with rocks, bottles and debris. A convoy of Oakland police sheriff's deputies and California Highway Patrol officers struggled to seal the firefighters off from the crowd.

"We're taking rocks and bottles from everywhere, we need to clear out," one sergeant told his supervisors by radio at 63rd Avenue.

Sideshows with cars doing "doughnuts" and burning rubber could be seen on side streets.

"It's how we do it out here," said 18-year-old "Opp," who gave no last name.

"You better take your s-- home -- it's East Oakland."

Members of the crowd shouted: "It's town business, it's what we do!"

The absence of police in some stretches of International opened the area to chaos as hundreds of people milled about, damaging property, throwing trash into the streets and setting small fires in trash and grass.

"You can definitely say we're outnumbered," Oakland Police Officer Robert Roche said. "You don't have to be a math genius to see that." Roche said.

At least one news photographer was roughed up and assaulted with thrown bottles.

As midnight approached, the recklessness continued between 90th and 93rd avenues, where 300 to 400 people continued wandering the streets causing trouble.

By that time, International, from 37th to 66th avenues, was a mess.

Fire officials said three firefighters suffered minor injuries. No arrest total was given, but police said at a late press conference that they had jailed 25 people and were sending an additional busload to Santa Rita jail for public drunkenness.

Fire Chief Gerald Simon said the city was a lot more prepared this week: "The response this week (compared to last) is more consistent and thought through."

Police said they were forced to retreat from a barrage of rocks and bottles at International and 44th Avenue.

Many revelers, however, said they arrived simply to be part of a post-game party.

A few blocks from the mayhem, Manuel Ramirez stood in the bed of his pickup on International, waving a Raiders flag, with a rap song blaring: "We're just out here supporting the team." Cars driving by honked in support.

Ramirez, a 12-year neighborhood resident, said the people doing damage weren't from the neighborhood.

On tree-lined 60th Avenue near International where families have lived for 30 years, residents sat out on their stoops as people danced in the streets.

But after police left, several cars were set on fire -- treated like a bonfire by some of the troublemakers.

An older woman who has lived in the neighborhood since 1969 said, "I don't like this at all. It makes me feel safer with the police."

As she looked at a young man dressed in black Raider gear, she said, "Oh,

oh, who is that? What are they doing there? We've never had problems here. It's the Raider Nation -- these Raider Nation people."

"It's the Raiders' fault -- blame it on the Raiders," Akela Thomas, 19, shouted. "If they would've won, we wouldn't be doing this."

They did hold a positive rally to thank the Raiders, but not a single team member or staff member showed. In fact, the SuperBowl was supposed to be a "Raiders Home Game," yet as the "Home Team" fell behind, the Raiders faithfull sat on their collective hands.











So, if thats the type of BS that you need to call yourselves the best fans in the NFL, or the most fanatical, I'll concede, you win. You guys are nucking futs. I'm happy with the way things are here, and I'm pretty confident that Philadelphia is alot closer to Detroit than Oakland is, in more ways than one.

Good Luck to you guys too.

[rjs246]

Spelling correctly is so fourth grade.

[StevieLeftCollege]

Those Raiders fans did it right.

After we lost year, I wyled out at some party. I popped champagne and doused the house in it.  I wasnt violent but happy from the good season. 

[PhillyGirl]

hello

Goodbye.

[General_Failure]

I get stoopid, I shoot an arrow like Cupid,
I use a word that don't mean nothin', like looptid
I sang on Doowhutchalike, and if ya missed it,
I'm the one who said just grab 'em in the biscuits

[Reidme]

PG had the perfect post to wrap up this thread ... do you always ruin everything GF? 

[General_Failure]

Remember when I told ya that I was a samurai?
Well the fact of the matter is, that was a lie
There were some other things that I'd rather not recall
Y'all can blame it all on the alcohol
But you ain't got no business criticizing me
This is my house and I'll do as I please
What was I thinking, move to Baltimore?
Oh yeah, the great outdoors!