Game of Thrones

[Eagles_Legendz]

yeah the scene in the book is already weird/disturbing enough, I don't know that they needed to up that quotient. 

It's clear in the books that her issue is with where the sex is occurring, both by her comments before, and immediately after saying it was stupid to have sex there because they could've been caught.  It's also guided by her comments during.  Instead, they eliminate the during consensual comments & the post-comments explaining her issues relating to the place, not the act.  I don't get it and I'm irrationally angry about it probably because I think it severely limits the outlook of one of my favorite characters for absolutely no reason whatsoever. 

[Munson]

I think they probably thought showing her kissing him back and repeatedly saying "its not right" would be enough to make it not seem so rapey

[rjs246]

Or just read the well articulated and nuanced article that I posted. There is very little wiggle room to explain this kind of 'creative' scene change. Tying to explain it away is pointless.

[Eagles_Legendz]

The worst(?) part is it wasn't even an attempted change.

http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/game_of_thrones_director_says_rape_scene_was_meant_to_be_consensual-2014-04

Awful. 

Got GRRM to speak too.

http://winteriscoming.net/2014/04/21/george-r-r-martin-responds-fans-concern-breaker-chains/

It's even worse that the director is trying to convey consensual sex.  If it was intended as rape but used for character developments later, I'd not like it but could see it and be interested in how it would further the characters.   Since it's supposed to be consensual though it won't be used at all and people will just think it's a rape scene. 

[rjs246]

Yeah. If the director thought he was conveying a consensual act he has put his directing career into some serious jeopardy. Communicating rape versus not rape is an important and basic directorial skill.

[Munson]

...Like I said, I think they were trying to do that, and thought that the small indicators they gave were enough....obviously, they weren't, since the scene came off extremely rapey.

This is far from the first on screen rape for this show though. There didn't seem to be a big uproar over the other ones, probably because we never heard the character actually say "no"

[SD]

Who cares, Cersei is batshtein crazy so I assumed she'd prefer being raped

[Eagles_Legendz]

There wasn't as big of an uproar because this was a rather large deviation and made to one of the most popular characters in the series.  Most were depicted as rape for a reason IMO.  This just seems like massively dropping the ball in a manner that seems wildly out of character (yes, even for someone who tried to murder a child).

[smeags]

the scene was a little weird but not a big deal IMO.

best line of the episode -I'm going to eat your momma and your daddy.
now run to castle black and tell them.

[Eagles_Legendz]

Well I dunno that there are spoilers anymore since 90% of that was non-book material.

[Munson]

Holy shtein at that episode. The White Walker stuff was so confusing and awesome at the same time. I didn't think we'd ever get that kind of insight into them.

[Eagaholic]

Liked the episode and in particular the white walker piece. I wouldn't have had them pegged for any kind of collective 'character development' but it seems that they aren't your normal run of the mill must have brains mindless apocalyptic zombie type (though the wights probably are).

To me their last scene seemed to suggest that they have a defined and intelligent hierarchy and the ice slab seemed suggestive of an altar and a religious ceremony with a sacrifice, possibly to their god who empowers them.

It made me think back to the scene early in the series when the WW saw Sam hiding near the Fist. He was on a horse and raised his arm and screeched seeming to point and direct the wights onward. In light of tonight makes me wonder if he was the commander of sorts. shtein's gonna get real.

Btw - anybody get why that WW let Sam go - the scene was shot from Sam's pov and he appeared to look directly at Sam and moved on. Ironic especially sine Sam later killed one.

Also - can't believe we're half way through the season already, and another year til more.

[Susquehanna Birder]

Sam was carrying the dragon glass at that point, wasn't he?

[Munson]

My guess is the White Walker looked at him and figured he wasn't a threat. They let that other guy go at the beginning of the series.

[Eagaholic]

Sam was returning from the Fist iirc where they found the dragon glass so the idea about the knife is an interesting point (yes, of course pun intended). At the same time, it didn't deter the WW when he came for Gilly's baby, even when Sam was coming up behind him with it (though the baby would be more of a distraction and valued target).

As far as not seeing Sam as a threat and letting him go I suppose it is possible, but by killing humans is how they grow their wight armies. Lol maybe he saw Sam would be a fail as a wight recruit and moved on to Other things.