Phillies Offseason Thread 12-13

[Don Ho]

Until the Phillies start using him in situations where he's actually needed, rather than almost exclusively in spots that nearly any pitcher with a pulse can handle successfully 85–90 percent of the time, Papelbon will remain the $200,000 Aston Martin that never leaves the garage. The reason Papelbon merits only honorable mention is because someone, somewhere, might use him properly if the Phillies ever traded him. In a way, this is more of a tragic waste of resources than an untradeable contract.

HA!!  Nailed it.

[SunMo]

Tom McCarthy extended 5 more years.  farg this offseason got worse

[BigEd76]

One day into camp and Juan Cruz already opted out to become a free agent

[ice grillin you]

Tom McCarthy extended 5 more years.  farg this offseason got worse

and the hits just keep on comin

[PhillyPhreak54]

Tom McCarthy extended 5 more years.  farg this offseason got worse

Jesus farging christ

[MDS]

mlbtv could charge 7000 for the package and i would buy it to avoid listening to that funhole

[Rome]

Women.

[Sgt PSN]

Vegas set the Phils total wins for the year at 87.  They're going to make a killing on South Jersey gamblers. 

[ice grillin you]

the max is 85 and their likelyhood is probably 75 with a solid chance of implosion

its not free....i suspect their number will be 87ish??
its not like its gonna be 81 and j is offering 90....still you dont bet the bet you bet the number and 90 is a good number

Honestly.  Are you bipolar?

87 is what i am guessing vegas' number will be close to

[Sgt PSN]

I was listening to Phanatic yesterday and the number of callers saying they'd take the over was ridiculous.  I'd have no problem betting the over if it was guaranteed that Grit and Howard would each play 160+ games and that Doc would look more like 2011 than 2012.   Everyone was jerking off to Grit looking good.  Ok, great.  Let's see how he looks at the break after 70 starts (assuming he's available for 70 games). 

Question marks at basically every outfield position, a turnstile at 3rd base, a #1 on the decline, a #2 who just has something wrong with him, a 2nd basemen with plastic knees, a power hitting 1st basemen with a weakened leg that is the foundation for his power, a catcher who claims to have A.D.D. and is missing the 1st 25 games and a leadoff hitter who, despite being a farging pimp, kind of sucks at getting on base.

I guess everything goes right they could win 90+ games.  But that is A LOT of shtein that needs to go right. I still think this is an 85 win team.  Of course, with the 2nd wildcard spot that might even be enough to get them in if none of the other wild card contenders run away with it.  But that's as optimistic as I get.   

[ice grillin you]

whats amazing about how this team was built is that they are put together completely around their pitching staff and all their success depends on that....yet they put an atrocious defense behind it

[Sgt PSN]

Other than Young at 3rd, I won't say the defense is atrocious as much as it's an unknown at this point.  Revere seems to be a pretty good centerfielder but the 2 corners are big ?.  I really don't know what to expect defensively from Grit or Howard.  Both were butchers in the field early on but improved dramatically, imo.  Thing is, will either of them have the reflexes or the ability to plant their feet and go after sharply hit balls?  We know we'll get gold glove caliber fielding from Jimmy.  He's pretty much the only sure fire thing in the field for this team along with Young being a disaster.  The rest is completely up in the air right now. 

[MDS]

also the entire season hinges the right arm of a 35 year old who broke down in may of last year

[ice grillin you]

Other than Young at 3rd, I won't say the defense is atrocious as much as it's an unknown at this point.  Revere seems to be a pretty good centerfielder but the 2 corners are big ?.  I really don't know what to expect defensively from Grit or Howard.  Both were butchers in the field early on but improved dramatically, imo.  Thing is, will either of them have the reflexes or the ability to plant their feet and go after sharply hit balls?  We know we'll get gold glove caliber fielding from Jimmy.  He's pretty much the only sure fire thing in the field for this team along with Young being a disaster.  The rest is completely up in the air right now.

jimmy and revere are good fielders

chooch is a good catcher but erik kratz lol starts there for the first month

everyone else ranges from bad to abominable

[MDS]

revere cant be described as good when his arm is juan pierre level weak

delmon young will be worse than manny ramirez could ever think to be, and hit 50 points less with sub .300 obp. then theres chase utleys knees and ryan howards hands.