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[Hawk]

The church was also against the compromise.   Obama was getting bad pr, then Fluke appears with her ridiculous three thousand dollar birth control claim.   It's a shame she didn't Google cheap birth control to find the nine dollar a month one sold at wal mart.

[ice grillin you]

GOP presidential candidates have intentionally distorted the Obama administration's new rule requiring employers and insurers to provide reproductive health benefits at no additional cost sharing. Conservatives are seeking a way to politically unite Republican voters around a social issue and portray the regulation as a big government intrusion into religious liberties. In reality, the mandate is modeled on existing rules in six states, exempts houses of worship and other religious nonprofits that primarily employ and serve people of faith, and offers employers a transitional period of one year to determine how best to comply with the rule.

It's also nothing new. Twenty-eight states already require organizations that offer prescription insurance to cover contraception and since 98 percent of Catholic women use birth control, many Catholic institutions offer the benefit to their employees. For instance, a Georgetown University spokesperson said yesterday that employees "have access to health insurance plans offered and designed by national providers to a national pool. These plans include coverage for birth control."

Similarly, an informal survey conducted by Our Sunday Visitor found that many Catholic colleges have purchased insurance plans that provide contraception benefits:

University of Scranton, for example, appears to specifically cover contraception. The University of San Francisco offers employees two health plans, both of which cover abortion, contraception and sterilization...Also problematic is the Jesuit University of Scranton. One of its health insurance plans, the First Priority HMO, lists a benefit of "contraceptives when used for the purpose of birth control."

DePaul University in Chicago covers birth control in both its fully insured HMO plan and its self-insured PPO plan and excludes "elective abortion," said spokesman John Holden, adding that the 1,800 employee-university responded to a complaint from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission several years ago and added artificial contraception as a benefit to its Blue Cross PPO.

Christian Brothers University in Memphis, Tenn., offers employee health insurance via the Tennessee Independent Colleges and Universities Association, a consortium of Christian Bible and other private college and universities. Its plan excludes abortion, but probably covers artificial contraception as a prescription drug, said C. Gregg Conroy, the executive director of the TICUA Benefit Consortium.

Boston College, the six former Caritas Christi Catholic hospitals in Massachusetts, and other Catholic organizations that are located in one of the 28 states that already require employers to provide contraception benefits could have self-insured or stopped offering prescription drug coverage to avoid the mandate — but didn't do so. Instead, they — like many Catholic hospitals and health care insurers around the country — chose to meet the needs of the overwhelming majority of Catholic women and offer these much needed services.

and thats just a few of the hundreds and hundreds of catholic colleges..organizations and institutions that offer plans that cover birth control and abortion

again catholics overwhelmingly recognize the benefits of contraception and thus offer it all the time...its you and your fundy right wing zealots who are pushing this attack on women

[ice grillin you]

The church was also against the compromise.

duh....of course the church is against contraception....the old weird dood in the halloween costume says they have to be...as usual the church is 4000 years behind the times here...but this has nothing to do with the right wings attacks on women

seriously why do you people hate females so much...is it because you cant control them?

[Hawk]

The list of catholic universities was provided by Naral.   Almost all of the colleges are in states that forced them to cover certain contraceptions.    None cover abortion.  I'd bet almost all are Jesuit institutions who consistently fall left on the political spectrum.   The church has allowed contraception in Africa where the situation is life or death.

Why must liberals forced their idealogies on certain institutions, but bitch that idealogies are being forced on them when religious people want to outlaw abortion. 

Does the right hate women or does it just question why a law student isn't resourceful enough to find contraception that is nine dollars a month at Walmart.... Or even free through social services for low income residents.

[Hawk]

It seems that many of the colleges on that list provide contraceptive coverage in states that mandate they do so. So, in short, the politicians in those states forced colleges to provide contraceptive coverage, and then the politicians on the federal level use the fact that they're providing it as evidence that it's okay for others to do the same.

It's worth noting as well that many of the colleges on the list provide coverage for certain drugs that have therapeutic purposes apart from their contraceptive effects and are covered only when medically necessary for these other purposes—for conditions such as ovarian cysts, endometriosis, and acne—like the Franciscan University of Steubenville, the University of Dallas and the University of Notre Dame, among others.

Here's the list of Catholic colleges that reportedly provide contraceptive coverage, according to the NWLC:

Santa Clara University, The Jesuit School of Theology, the University of San Diego, and San Francisco University all reportedly provide contraceptive coverage to their employees as mandated by the state of California.

Sacred Heart University in Connecticut also provides contraceptive coverage to employees in the state of Connecticut which mandates it.

Georgetown University does so although they are under no legal obligation to do so.

Dominican University in Illinois and Loyola University of Chicago cover contraceptives as mandated by state law.

The University of Notre Dame is included on the list as providing for "oral contraceptives" by the NWLC but only for "existing pathologies" and not for birth control.

Loyola University of New Orleans provides contraceptive care and is under no state mandate to do so.

Loyola University in Maryland provides coverage for non-contraceptive uses of certain drugs that are frequently prescribed as contraceptives.  Maryland mandates contraceptive coverage.

University of Detroit Mercy allows contraceptive coverage. Michigan mandates contraceptive coverage.

Saint John's University of New York covers vasectomies and tubal ligations but not oral contraceptives.

Dayton University in Ohio provides contraceptive coverage and is not mandated to do so.

Franciscan University of Steubenville provides coverage for non-contraceptive uses of certain drugs that are frequently prescribed as contraceptives.

John Carroll University also provides coverage for non-contraceptive uses of certain drugs that are frequently prescribed as contraceptives.

Kings College and Scranton University of Pennsylvania provide coverage for non-contraceptive uses of certain drugs that are frequently prescribed as contraceptives.

University of Dallas also provides coverage for non-contraceptive uses of certain drugs that are frequently prescribed as contraceptives.

St. Edwards University in Texas provides contraceptive coverage. The NWLC was unable to ascertain any limitations on that coverage.

University of the Incarnate Word in Texas provides contraceptive coverage. They are under no state mandate to do so.

Saint Michael's College in Vermont provides contraceptive coverage as is required by state mandate.

Gonzaga University provides contraceptive coverage but only when "medically necessary." The state of Washington mandates insurance plans cover contraceptives.

Seattle University provides contraceptive coverage.

Marquette University and Viterbo University provide contraceptive coverage with few limitations. Wisconsin mandates coverage.

As you can see, while many of these Catholic colleges do provide coverage of some drugs that could be used for contraceptive purposes, many of them draw the line and exclude them for reasons of birth control. And some are mandated to provide coverage. Some, of course, like Georgetown, provide it of their own volition.

Other colleges like Fordham and DePaul also have acknowledged contraception coverage.

But should the actions of Georgetown and a few others act as a mandate to every other Catholic institution in the country?  Of course not. Georgetown should not be allowed to become the federally appointed new magisterium of the Catholic Church — which of course acknowledges differences with the true Magisterium..

If a liberal tells a lie enough times it eventually becomes a fact.

[Munson]

Church doesn't get to force its beliefs upon its employees anymore through backhand methods like picking and choosing insurance providers based on whether they cover contraceptives or not.

Score one for individual liberty.

Also, the issue about BC being cheap in some areas or from some stores is retarded. Because some places offer it for cheap doesn't mean it shouldn't be covered. Not to mention "affordable" is a relative term. Sex needs to be had responsibly whether you can afford to pay for BC out of pocket or not.

[ice grillin you]

Why must liberals forced their idealogies on certain institutions, but bitch that idealogies are being forced on them when religious people want to outlaw abortion. 

lol at calling protecting peoples health an idealogy....that sums up the right in a nutshell...no one is forcing the 2% of catholic women who dont already or havent already taken birth control to start taking it....they are protecting the people who already take it or who may want to some day

see this is the main difference btwn liberals and the zealots...we look to protect people...you look for ways to attack people who arent as powerful as you...ie women in this case...but also anyone else who isnt of your color sex religion ect...

and again you keep bringing up the church...this has absolutely nothing to do with the church...no one is asking priests to hand out birth control at communion...they are asking that women be allowed to get birth control from their insurance provider

this is nothing more than a way for salty old men in congress to control women because they cant stand the idea of strong member of the opposite sex

[Hawk]

Why must liberals forced their idealogies on certain institutions, but bitch that idealogies are being forced on them when religious people want to outlaw abortion. 

lol at calling protecting peoples health an idealogy....that sums up the right in a nutshell...no one is forcing the 2% of catholic women who dont already or havent already taken birth control to start taking it....they are protecting the people who already take it or who may want to some day

see this is the main difference btwn liberals and the zealots...we look to protect people...you look for ways to attack people who arent as powerful as you...ie women in this case...but also anyone else who isnt of your color sex religion ect...

and again you keep bringing up the church...this has absolutely nothing to do with the church...no one is asking priests to hand out birth control at communion...they are asking that women be allowed to get birth control from their insurance provider

this is nothing more than a way for salty old men in congress to control women because they cant stand the idea of strong member of the opposite sex

Low income, IE a college student, can get it for FREE from social services.  Big time retailers like Wal-mart and Target provide it for 9 dollars a month.  Fluke, the star-witness of the liberals, claimed she was paying 3000 dollars total during her time at law school.  Liberals are all about protecting people.  Unless those people are in the womb or entering the twilight of their life. 

Actually there's two new liberal academics arguing that pregnancy should be allowed post-birth as well, just in case the kid may be born with down-syndrome or another birth defect.  So yes, you're right, liberals are the protectors of everyone, as long as it convienient to their liberal idealogies.

[Hawk]

The problem with liberals is the fact that no matter how far left they are, they always claim they are moderate.

[ice grillin you]

wow i dont even know what to say....but this has nothing with sandra fluke....im done trying to school dumb ass MA's....have a fine day youngin

The problem with liberals is the fact that no matter how far left they are, they always claim they are moderate.

this i agree with....we need more progressive soldiers...im proud as hell to say im as left as you can possibly get...only neanderthals like you think this is a bad thing

[Munson]

Liberals don't want to protect people in the twilight of their lives?

You do realize it's 'liberals' that are currently fighting to keep SS and Medicare, right?

[Hawk]

wow i dont even know what to say....but this has nothing with sandra fluke....im done trying to school dumb ass MA's....have a fine day youngin

The problem with liberals is the fact that no matter how far left they are, they always claim they are moderate.

this i agree with....we need more progressive soldiers...im proud as hell to say im as left as you can possibly get...only neanderthals like you think this is a bad thing

I'm a neanderthal, but you are a walking hypocrite.   

[Hawk]

Liberals don't want to protect people in the twilight of their lives?

You do realize it's 'liberals' that are currently fighting to keep SS and Medicare, right?

Just look at Neatherlands and their euthanasia epidemic.  Just this month, Euthanasia-mobile units are now available for your quicky and speedy mercy killing.  Let's ignore the hundreds of questionable cases when a mercy killing took place without the request of the patient.

IGY keep deluding yourself that liberals are the protector of the innocent, while they do more and more to push for abortions to be allowed up until birth. 

Now I remember why I stayed out of this thread.  Even you and Munson are buddies in here.

[ice grillin you]

Now I remember why I stayed out of this thread.

dont forget next time....peace out

[Hawk]

Now I remember why I stayed out of this thread.

dont forget next time....peace out

Don't act like you won the argument when you couldn't counter any of my counters.  Now precede with your circle jerking and hypocrisy.