Phillies Offseason Thread

MDS · November 04, 2011, 09:41:57 PM

o/u should be 5 innings

maybe even 3

basically youre betting on a freak extra innings ejection situation or ryan howard dying midgame

ice grillin you · November 04, 2011, 09:48:23 PM

we are talking about roob and chuckles so i think that might be low but still he isnt replacing choke

MDS · November 05, 2011, 01:49:49 AM

thome himself knows he cant play in the field anymore. as dumb as manuel is i dont think its gonna happen.

gardy tried to get him to play 1st but thome wouldnt do it. he knows he cant.

on a different note, what is the o/u for calls to WIP demanding thome replace choke at 1st. ill set it right now at 15,000.

edit: salisbury says phillies interested in cuddyer. and so it begins.

ice grillin you · November 05, 2011, 01:57:44 AM

its not even the calls to replace him that will be maddening its the callers that have no idea how old thome is and will think hes still a 42 home run guy and is here to replace choke permanently

trade choke to the al to be a dh talk just got a shot of hgh

MDS · November 05, 2011, 02:05:31 AM

choke deserves a lot of shtein for his playoff dud, so thats already there. throw in the oafish negro starting over blue collar white man and its ON.

cuddy would actually be great. he can play corner OF and 3B, which i hope is code for 3B since i dont want polanco within 3000 feet of the bank at any point.

ice grillin you · November 05, 2011, 02:10:53 AM

they need way more money than they have to make this team a ws contender...the window is shut...i wanna say blow it up but with the contracts they have thats not possible until maybe 2016??

hope for one more division title (maybe) and then bottom out for a while

MDS · November 05, 2011, 02:14:34 AM

my expectations are at 0, but the only thing i can say is that right now they have a team good enough to win the nl east. add kid cuddy to the mix instead of polanco--yes they are still slow as balls--but its an improvement.

if they can get in the dance then you never know. its not hope, its more of a...reason not to commit suicide.

SD · November 05, 2011, 09:29:46 AM

Reports are the Phillies are eyeing Cuddyer. I know he's versatile but they need to shake up the lineup not go after guys with similar stats to Raul who can play 3 positions. If they sign Cuddyer, let Jimmy and Raul walk they're worse off than last season...just not seeing how he helps.

Rome · November 05, 2011, 10:04:49 AM

Cuddyer is light years better in the field than Raul.

And they're going to reup Rollins and Madson, so settle down Mary.

SD · November 05, 2011, 10:07:46 AM

Quote from: Rome on November 05, 2011, 10:04:49 AM
Cuddyer is light years better in the field than Raul.

And they're going to reup Rollins and Madson, so settle down Mary.

Maybe they re-up one but no way both. I think Jimmy is gone and Madson has Boras as his agent so there's that.

And was defense the reason they haven't won in the past few years? Who cares if he's light years better than Raul in LF, like that's a good reason to sign the guy.

Geowhizzer · November 05, 2011, 10:26:25 AM

Quote from: SD on November 05, 2011, 09:29:46 AM
Reports are the Phillies are eyeing Cuddyer. I know he's versatile but they need to shake up the lineup not go after guys with similar stats to Raul who can play 3 positions. If they sign Cuddyer, let Jimmy and Raul walk they're worse off than last season...just not seeing how he helps.

Depends on whether Amaro sees Cuddyer as a replacement for Ibanez or at 3B for Polanco with Brown/MAAAyberry in LF.

Geowhizzer · November 05, 2011, 10:29:55 AM

Quote from: SD on November 05, 2011, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: Rome on November 05, 2011, 10:04:49 AM
Cuddyer is light years better in the field than Raul.

And they're going to reup Rollins and Madson, so settle down Mary.

Maybe they re-up one but no way both. I think Jimmy is gone and Madson has Boras as his agent so there's that.

And was defense the reason they haven't won in the past few years? Who cares if he's light years better than Raul in LF, like that's a good reason to sign the guy.

Yeah, I've got the feeling that the Rollins era in Philly is over. If the Phils were actually prepared to move on at SS I wouldn't be too concerned about it since Jimmy's offensive numbers have been average for the past several seasons. I'm jut hoping to not see Valdez or Mikey Mart 5 days a week at short. No matter what, I would still miss Rollins as a Phil.

Madson is going to make a lot of coin for somebody who has been a full-time closer for less than a full season. There are several good closers on the market, so I'm not overly concerned about losing him.

SD · November 05, 2011, 10:29:57 AM

Peanut head will be back at 3rd, there's zero doubt in my mind. Cuddyer probably plays left and fills in in the infield when needed.

ice grillin you · November 05, 2011, 03:02:21 PM

yeah cuddeyer biggest asset is his versatility...he will play first until choke comes back then move to left...but if GRITs knee flares up again he can play second...if polancos elbow falls off or hes just plain done he can play third...and i imagine he would move to third full time next year

the thing is players like cuddyer can be found every off season...do you wanna sign him for lets say three years 36 mil and lose jimmy or madson...two positions that are harder to replace

also cuddyer costs you a first round pick...altho i suppose they could offer arbitration to jimmy and or madson to recoup that

Munson · November 05, 2011, 03:36:53 PM

I heard Stark the other day before the hot stove started that if a new labor deal or something like that wasn't reached by midnight (the night FA started), that the Luxury tax wouldn't be in effect for this year. Where is Ed to confirm if that's even true, and to tell me if they reached said deal?