2011 College Football Thread

[MDS]

society is at fault. we fail so many of our own on a daily basis. most of those are poor. many are minorities who have never been given a chance for generations.

its a systematic process of failure. the wire explains all of this better than anyone else could.

the solution goes beyond college sports but at least giving the kids something, anything, tangible they can take besides a fraud of an education would be a start. it wont solve anything but even if it takes $200 million out of jim delanys trust fund and gives some chicken shacks and corner stores more money then fine. at least its going to good use.

[Sgt PSN]

I am by nature, not school smart.  Sitting in a classroom, taking notes, reading, studying were all difficult for me.  I was a B+/A- student and I had to work twice as hard as the smart kids to get my grades.  Guess you could say I was a gritty student.  It's all just a matter of pride really.  You either take pride in your work or you don't.  Saying that an athlete (especially a football player) doesn't have the ability to learn is ridiculous.  Have you seen a college football playbook?  They learn that, don't they?  They read it, they study it, they take notes.  How is that any different from any regular class.  An athlete has the aptitude to learn just as much as a non-athlete, it's just a matter of how much effort they want to put into it. 

[MDS]

season 4 of the wire

please just...it will answer everything

[SD]

season 4 of the wire

please just...it will answer everything

meh...if you make it to college and are a student athlete you have every opportunity in the world to succeed. Tutors paid in full and teachers who will help because they know how important student athletes are to the college. It has nothing to do with society/smarts and everything to do with motivation.

[ice grillin you]

except it doesnt matter how much help you get in college if you spent the first 17 years of your life in horrid schools with despicable teachers you cant then get to college and flip the easy switch to make you know stuff

[SD]

except it doesnt matter how much help you get in college if you spent the first 17 years of your life in horrid schools with despicable teachers you cant then get to college and flip the easy switch to make you know stuff

Yes you can it's called motivation.

[ice grillin you]

motivation doesnt make you go from a 4th grade learning level to a bachelors degree

[Sgt PSN]

motivation doesnt make you go from a 4th grade learning level to a bachelors degree

If they were motivated at any point from k-12, they wouldn't have to worry about playing catch up in college.  It's pride.  You either care or you don't.  Most athletes don't care about academics. 

[MDS]

and this is someone who watched the wire

let me say it like this. if after 18 years of life you went somewhere where they tried to get you take digging holes really seriously. said if you dig holes well enough and try and study on hole digging you can do anything you want. but you, as someone who never valued digging holes, can never really truly give a shtein about hole digging. its just not in your value system as something important.

now replace digging holes with "school work" and youll get 95% of D1 football and basketball players. all the supposed go get em motivation in the world wont make them invest deeply in something they were never taught to care about.

[PhillyGirl]

motivation doesnt make you go from a 4th grade learning level to a bachelors degree

Have to admit this, but IGY's spot on. I knew athletes in my college who graduated just fine from HS, but couldn't do basic math, spell, punctuate, etc. Tutoring them was like working with grade school kids, only with mouths that sounded like truck drivers when they got so pissed off because they were so stupid. But if they didn't maintain their GPA, they were off the team.

[ice grillin you]

motivation doesnt make you go from a 4th grade learning level to a bachelors degree

If they were motivated at any point from k-12, they wouldn't have to worry about playing catch up in college.  It's pride.  You either care or you don't.  Most athletes don't care about academics. 

wow...no

are there some kids who come from these enviroments who arent motivated...sure there are....but no more so than the number of unmotivated kids that come from the 90210...it has nothing to do with being an athlete....these kids werent star athletes when they were already behind the 8 ball and failed by their parents...their school system  their govennment or all of the above

[Sgt PSN]

For me, its simply the fact that my name is attached to it that makes me work hard.  I don't care if it's school, athletics or digging holes in the ground.  I don't even care if there's some sort of payoff at the end.  If the body of work is going to be identified as mine, then I'm going to put the effort in to make sure it represents me the best way possible.  That isn't intelligence.  It's pride and self respect and the only person who can give that to you is yourself. 

[Munson]

I am shockingly with Han IGY and Jewbacca on this one. The attitude towards education, and the lack of funding/skilled teachers that a lot of these children grow up with will absolutely make it pretty much impossible for them to succeed academically in college or really get anything out of it. There are of course some who fare better than others, but since these children were born they were behind their peers in education (poor children enter school 3-5 years behind where they should be, literacy wise). Couple that with the underfunded education they generally receive throughout life, and coming from areas that generally have poor attitude towards education......well, by the time they get to college on a full athletic ride, they haven't thought once about cracking a book since the time they didn't meet GPA requirements to stay on the high school football team and the high school covered it up.

[Munson]

For me, its simply the fact that my name is attached to it that makes me work hard.  I don't care if it's school, athletics or digging holes in the ground.  I don't even care if there's some sort of payoff at the end.  If the body of work is going to be identified as mine, then I'm going to put the effort in to make sure it represents me the best way possible.  That isn't intelligence.  It's pride and self respect.   

If you grew up with poor black parents in the inner city, your idea of pride and self-respect would probably be a little different than the values you hold now. It comes back to parenting a lot and unfortunately there's nothing you can do about parenting.

[phillymic2000]

I am shockingly with Han IGY and Jewbacca on this one. The attitude towards education, and the lack of funding/skilled teachers that a lot of these children grow up with will absolutely make it pretty much impossible for them to succeed academically in college or really get anything out of it. There are of course some who fare better than others, but since these children were born they were behind their peers in education (poor children enter school 3-5 years behind where they should be, literacy wise). Couple that with the underfunded education they generally receive throughout life, and coming from areas that generally have poor attitude towards education......well, by the time they get to college on a full athletic ride, they haven't thought once about cracking a book since the time they didn't meet GPA requirements to stay on the high school football team and the high school covered it up.

and yet the same jokers get voted into office year after year.