Boneheaded playcalls courtesy of Andy Reid

[Sgt PSN]

I dunno......the ball made contact with the pylon and moved it a little bit so I think he had a legit enough reason to challenge.  And when it comes to potential scoring plays (where it isn't blatantly obvious there was no td) I don't really have a problem with him throwing the red flag.  Hell, I remember seeing this team get stuffed on the goal line 2 or 3 times in a row in San Fran about 7 or 8 years ago so it's hard to look at a play like that and assume you'll just get in the endzone on the next play. 

they had three more chances to get in they didnt have to do it on the next play...they also had the best running qb in league history

there was literally no reason to challenge there...especially after andy saw the big screen replay it numerous times...its was clearly not even close to conclusive and all 70 thousand in the stadium knew it

there a million things that could have warranted challenging the call....among them

1. it wasnt late in the game
2. the game wasnt close
3. the eagles had all their timeouts left
4. the play was 100% conclusive
5. it was third or fourth down
6. you werent playing against a HOF qb

what wouldnt make that list is some random game from a thousand years ago where they were stuffed at the goaline

pretty much the situation was the exact opposite of all the above factors and he still went for it

but thats why the eagles never have timeouts at the end of the game

i was saying to sun at the game its just amazing how the other team somehow always has three and the eagles dont even usually have two they have zero or one

I'm not saying that it was 100% the right call, in fact I'm not even saying that it was a good call.....I'm just saying that in comparison to his other challenges, this one is far from the worst.  Was it obvious from the replay that he scored?  No, so in that regard, you're right because the refs aren't going to overturn the call based on the replay.  But I also don't have a big problem with trying to get the td without having to run another play.   

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

I agree with those here who say Reid's challenge of the Avant non-touchdown was completely retarded in every way.  Even winning it, he would have been without challenges for the rest of the game.  And the Eagles had all the momentum, so a non-challenge would have set them up with 1st down on the half-foot line.  Just ridiculous, and I'm glad it didn't cost them.

Anyone who thinks Reid made the right decision there is probably just a contrarian or a nimrod or both.

[Seabiscuit36]

Who cares...they won

thats like saying who cares how bad the offensive line is they won the game


its not about the colts game its about the systematic botching of clock and timeout management that still and probably always will plague andy...its about games down the road that could be lost because of moves liek that

http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=21087.msg788522#msg788522

[smeags]

Who cares...they won

thats like saying who cares how bad the offensive line is they won the game


its not about the colts game its about the systematic botching of clock and timeout management that still and probably always will plague andy...its about games down the road that could be lost because of moves liek that

http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=21087.msg788522#msg788522

i knew this was coming.

[reese125]

There is nothing right about throwing a challenge flag that close of game with such blatant non-conclusive evidence on 600 ft jumbo screen .  

You would think after getting tormented in newspapers and post pressers over these years of how important time outs are sin football games something would click.

Nothing.

[Seabiscuit36]

and dont get me wrong i was going apeshtein when he threw the flag.  Just a retarded move, but so typical of Andy.  The Caldwell challenge on the next play only made me angrier.  The refs were bullshtein, but Reid is still retarded when it comes to timeouts and challenges

[Sgt PSN]

The Caldwell challenge on the next play only made me angrier.

What made you angry about that?  The ball was nowhere near the goal line on that first attempt.  Or were you angry because you saw a coach properly use a challenge? 

[Seabiscuit36]

That the refs even thought it was a TD, when even when the play happened, it was clear that Vick never got close. 

[Sgt PSN]

So in a game where the refs made a bunch of bad calls against the Eagles, you were mad that they made a bad call in favor of them? 

[ice grillin you]

Who cares...they won

thats like saying who cares how bad the offensive line is they won the game


its not about the colts game its about the systematic botching of clock and timeout management that still and probably always will plague andy...its about games down the road that could be lost because of moves liek that

http://www.concretefield.info/forum/index.php?topic=21087.msg788522#msg788522

unless you believe that the crew that worked the game on sunday is being paid to conspire against the eagles and that that same crew is going to ref every eagle game for the rest of the year OR andy reid is no longer the coach of the eagles i am having a hard time figuring out how complaining about a random call by a ref compares in any way to analyzing your teams head coach

There is nothing right about throwing a challenge flag that close of game with such blatant non-conclusive evidence on 600 ft jumbo screen . 

it was just hilarious watching him watch the screen...reach for the flag...stop...reach again..stop

it was like the spalding booger scene in caddyshack..."20 bucks he throws it"

[Seabiscuit36]

What i was showing is that you dont care about the refs because the eagles won, but Andy screwed up again yet they won, and its brought up?  The refs blew from start to finish, and i cant recall them giving away two huge plays at the end of a half and the end of a game, not to mention blown calls all day for both sides. 

[ice grillin you]

What i was showing is that you dont care about the refs because the eagles won, but Andy screwed up again yet they won, and its brought up?  

the refs dont coach or play for the eagles...because they won those bad calls literally mean nothing right now....andy the offensive line or dmitri patterson matter

unless you are suggesting that the team shouldnt be discussed or anaylzed unless they lose?

i can see complaining about calls in the game thread when they happen or post game if they cost them to lose a game

but a four page thread on the austin collie call after a win....i just dont get that one...

[Tomahawk]

What i was showing is that you dont care about the refs because the eagles won, but Andy screwed up again yet they won, and its brought up?  

the refs dont coach or play for the eagles...because they won those bad calls literally mean nothing right now....andy the offensive line or dmitri patterson matter

unless you are suggesting that the team shouldnt be discussed or anaylzed unless they lose?

i can see complaining about calls in the game thread when they happen or post game if they cost them to lose a game

but a four page thread on the austin collie call after a win....i just dont get that one...

It was a bullshtein call that clearly shows how the NFL is trying pussify itself. It's more than just this one call in this single game; it's going to be the norm

[charlie]

Its doesn't matter when Reid calls for a challenge, it won't be overturned. I don't know if they keep track of these overall, but Reid has to have one of the worst challenge records of all time. I kind of remember once where he "won" a challenge and it wound up being a worse result than the original play.

[Sgt PSN]

What i was showing is that you dont care about the refs because the eagles won, but Andy screwed up again yet they won, and its brought up? 

the refs dont coach or play for the eagles...because they won those bad calls literally mean nothing right now....andy the offensive line or dmitri patterson matter

unless you are suggesting that the team shouldnt be discussed or anaylzed unless they lose?

i can see complaining about calls in the game thread when they happen or post game if they cost them to lose a game

but a four page thread on the austin collie call after a win....i just dont get that one...

There's a couple problems with that call though.  You even said yourself that it was the incorrect call because he wasn't defenseless when he got hit.  So that's one part of the problem.  The other part is if you look at the big picture here, this is a league wide issue with refs, not just the crew that officated this game.  The NFL has put such an emphasis on this stuff with the refs that they are going to call anything even remotely close even though it is clearly the wrong call.  So even though a different crew will be calling the game next week in DC, the officials working it will still probably have the same mindset going in and could very well make that same type of call when it isn't warranted. 

It's not like this was a bad pass interference call, because if it was, then I'd be in complete agreement with you at this point.  Refs are calling these personal fouls more and more because the league is pushing them to.  That's the problem as I see it.