The 2010 Point and Laugh at the Eagles thread

[Don Ho]

Jack,

The fact you referenced Pete Liske, John Reeves, Roman Gabriel and Mike Boryla makes me kind of like you.  Those were my boys back in the day.  Gabriel coming to the birds was as big as TO back in 73.  John Reeves was a high pick on a really, really bad team.  Maybe the worst birds team ever.  Boryla was the wonder boy out of Stanford who actually made the Pro Bowl in 1975.

This might help explain a lot of my bitterness.

[ice grillin you]

Ty Detmer, Bobby Hoying, Rodney Peete, Koy Detmer, Doug Pederson, Bubby Brister, Jeff Kemp, Mark Rypien, Jim McMahon, Mike Boryla, Roman Gabriel, John Reaves, Pete Liske, Norm Snead

47 years of meh-to-dreck punctuated by Jawarski, Cunningham and Mcnabb

to be fair theres only a handful of teams over that period of time that can say they had three better qb's than mcnabb randall and jaws...what makes the eagle special is not their lack of quaterbacking but their lack of championships

[JackStraw]

Ty Detmer, Bobby Hoying, Rodney Peete, Koy Detmer, Doug Pederson, Bubby Brister, Jeff Kemp, Mark Rypien, Jim McMahon, Mike Boryla, Roman Gabriel, John Reaves, Pete Liske, Norm Snead

47 years of meh-to-dreck punctuated by Jawarski, Cunningham and Mcnabb

to be fair theres only a handful of teams over that period of time that can say they had three better qb's than mcnabb randall and jaws...what makes the eagle special is not their lack of quaterbacking but their lack of championships

All true and that the two qbs being clawed about in the media right now likely fall into the former category rather than the latter as will likely the next coach no doubt...and speaking of that, and as you mention the eagles have their own special kind of "special" which includes some of these gems punctuated by vermiel, ryan and reid, who, like the three qb's above had fatal flaws:

1999          Andy Reid          109-68-1
1998-95     Ray Rhodes         29-34-1
1994-91     Rich Kotite           37-29-0
1990 -86    Buddy Ryan         43-38-1
1985          Fred Bruney             1-0-0
1985-83     Marion Campbell  17-29-1
1982-76     Dick Vermeil         57-51-0
1975-73     Mike McCormack   16-25-1
1972-71     Ed Khayat              8-15-2
1971-69     Jerry Williams         7-22-2
1968-64     Joe Kuharich         28-41-1

[Sgt PSN]

The thing that really sticks out there is that Reid has lost more games than any of the other coaches won.  And with just 6 more wins, Reid will double the next closest coach in wins.  I'm about as sick of Reid as possible, but when you look at those numbers you can't help but be somewhat impressed.  Still, he's not a SB caliber coach and I don't want him anymore.   

[Eagaholic]

Ty Detmer, Bobby Hoying, Rodney Peete, Koy Detmer, Doug Pederson, Bubby Brister, Jeff Kemp, Mark Rypien, Jim McMahon, Mike Boryla, Roman Gabriel, John Reaves, Pete Liske, Norm Snead

47 years of meh-to-dreck punctuated by Jawarski, Cunningham and Mcnabb

Damn, Jack. You got a lot of patience typing all that out. I would have given up by Doug.

[shorebird]

This is messed up. I was under the impression this was a rebuilding year. Start Kolb and let him develop with all the young talent around him. If he doesn't prove he's a real NFL qb, then you draft a qb in the first round of next years draft, which is supposed to be one of the best drafts for qb's since '83'. If Kolb sucks then a bad record moves you in the top of the draft to get a good pick.

And no, I'm not buying into the offensive line sucking enough to let him sit.

I agree with igy, this came from the top. From Banner and Lurie. It proves to me that all they care about is putting asses in the seats and making that almighty dollar. Win now and make that cash.

It seems that Reid doesn't even control what players are on the field anymore, at least at qb. Starting Vick makes no sense for the long haul. They want to win now and to hell with building a Superbowl contender.

I'm at the point were I hate the team that I love.

What if Kolb sucks and then whichever QB they draft also sucks? What if the Eagles become one of those teams, and look around tons of them right now, who are constantly looking for their next QB? Why not go with Vick if he really has improved (which we will now find out) and see if they can capitalize on all the talent at the skill positions now?

Of course that would be awesome if it also meant Reid gets fired if Vick and Kolb both do not work out.

You can say "what if" for just about any scenario, except one. 'What if Vick takes the Eagles to the Superbowl'? Know why? Because no one is crazy enough to think thats going to happen, therefore, Vick shouldn't be starting if Kolb is healthy. The coming draft is going to be deep with qb talent and the time to find out if Kolb can play or not is now. Haven't we all had enough of playing just good enough to make the playoffs, then having our hopes smashed to bits? If you're going to rebuild, then damnit, rebuild. You don't change the game plan just because Vick looked good against friggen' DETROIT!! Especially when it went down to the wire with the D giving up 32 pts. It made me sick to hear Reid gush over how Vick looked against friggen' DETROIT!! Fact is he's a .500 qb who is probably as inaccurate a passer as the guy they just sent down the road to Washington, and he's not taking this team to the Superbowl. They'll be lucky to make the playoffs, so really, what the farging point?? I'll tell you what the point is, he's a name that puts asses in the seats and makes networks change their schedules to show Eagles games. He makes the Eagles a much bigger story than Kolb would, therefore our money grubbin' little four beady eyed GM makes more money. God bless the almighty dollar bill and Joe Banner.

[Magical_Retard]

This is messed up. I was under the impression this was a rebuilding year. Start Kolb and let him develop with all the young talent around him. If he doesn't prove he's a real NFL qb, then you draft a qb in the first round of next years draft, which is supposed to be one of the best drafts for qb's since '83'. If Kolb sucks then a bad record moves you in the top of the draft to get a good pick.

And no, I'm not buying into the offensive line sucking enough to let him sit.

I agree with igy, this came from the top. From Banner and Lurie. It proves to me that all they care about is putting asses in the seats and making that almighty dollar. Win now and make that cash.

It seems that Reid doesn't even control what players are on the field anymore, at least at qb. Starting Vick makes no sense for the long haul. They want to win now and to hell with building a Superbowl contender.

I'm at the point were I hate the team that I love.

What if Kolb sucks and then whichever QB they draft also sucks? What if the Eagles become one of those teams, and look around tons of them right now, who are constantly looking for their next QB? Why not go with Vick if he really has improved (which we will now find out) and see if they can capitalize on all the talent at the skill positions now?

Of course that would be awesome if it also meant Reid gets fired if Vick and Kolb both do not work out.

You can say "what if" for just about any scenario, except one. 'What if Vick takes the Eagles to the Superbowl'? Know why? Because no one is crazy enough to think thats going to happen, therefore, Vick shouldn't be starting if Kolb is healthy. The coming draft is going to be deep with qb talent and the time to find out if Kolb can play or not is now. Haven't we all had enough of playing just good enough to make the playoffs, then having our hopes smashed to bits? If you're going to rebuild, then damnit, rebuild. You don't change the game plan just because Vick looked good against friggen' DETROIT!! Especially when it went down to the wire with the D giving up 32 pts. It made me sick to hear Reid gush over how Vick looked against friggen' DETROIT!! Fact is he's a .500 qb who is probably as inaccurate a passer as the guy they just sent down the road to Washington, and he's not taking this team to the Superbowl. They'll be lucky to make the playoffs, so really, what the farging point?? I'll tell you what the point is, he's a name that puts asses in the seats and makes networks change their schedules to show Eagles games. He makes the Eagles a much bigger story than Kolb would, therefore our money grubbin' little four beady eyed GM makes more money. God bless the almighty dollar bill and Joe Banner.

First let me start by saying I hate Reid, Banner, and whoever our GM is. I wish they would all be fired or held accountable by bringing in "outside voices". I say this because I don't want to come across as a FO supporter. I do support starting Vick because I am not ready for a rebuild. Not a rebuild where you keep plugging in unproven QBs to see if they pan out. This team is not that bad talent wise at the other positions that they need to blow everything up and re-start ala 99.

I also don't think the rest of the team is ready for a rebuild. They too, like the fans, probably believed the hype about Kolb and thought they would just pick up from where they left off. You do risk losing the team when they know there is a guy on the bench who could get them into the playoffs and possibly further but instead they are stuck playing to see if this guy pans out and then stuck playing waiting to see if another QB pans out. Vick isn't amazing but if he shows improvement, continues to play well, and leads the team he is young enough to invest the future into since the WRs, TE, and RB are set. Sure up the OLINE, which for now Vick is making up for (just like he makes up for the zesty playcalling), and work on the D. That is a lot easier to "build" than to rebuild. And honestly I do not want to rebuild AGAIN under Reid. Say what you will about McNabb, but a lot of the shortcomings over the past 10 yrs have been due to this philosophy when it comes to who they draft, who they sign, how they run the offense, and the defense. All moves seem to be dictated by the system over the talent they have and maximizing the strengths.

I would much rather spend this season to see Vick's progress.

[shorebird]

I can see were you're coming from, even if I don't agree. What do you do with Kolb if Vick continues to play well and looks to take over this team? Kolb was a second round pick. He has to play sooner or later and I would rather it be sooner.

[Rome]

All this bullshtein is moot if the defense doesn't drastically improve immediately.

[Magical_Retard]

I can see were you're coming from, even if I don't agree. What do you do with Kolb if Vick continues to play well and looks to take over this team? Kolb was a second round pick. He has to play sooner or later and I would rather it be sooner.

The Eagles have wasted tons of 2nd round picks. If he is a bust and can't beat out Vick then chalk another one up.

Who cares where he was picked or how much he is getting paid. If he can't play he can't play.

[Eagaholic]

will somebody please bitch slap samuel every time he pusies out on tackling a player?

[PoopyfaceMcGee]

Peter King, who is also generally a fat buffoon, has Andy Reid as his coach of the week:

Coach of the Week

Andy Reid, Philadelphia.
All you're judged on in the coaching business is whether your decisions pay off. We can argue all day about Reid saying all winter that Donovan McNabb was his guy, and then trading him; and then all spring and summer about how Kevin Kolb was his guy, and Reid benching him after 15 non-concussed snaps. But the way Vick played Sunday proved that the best quarterback to lead this team right now is Vick, and sometimes decisions in which you clearly contradict yourself can be painful and awkward. But all that matters is how it turns out.
And this decision, at least this week, was a gem, with Vick throwing 61-, 16- and 45-yard touchdown passes and running for a fourth score from 17 yards out in a 28-3 rout of the Jags. Yes, Reid has to salvage Kolb for the future, but for now, in the midst of the local and national hue and cry, his decision looks golden.

He also lists Vick #1 on his MVP watch.  All aboard the bandwagon after the team has beaten two of the worst in the NFL?  This will end ugly.

[SD]

I mentioned in either the Kolb or Vick thread I'd thought Vick would get some MVP consideration at some point...I'm a visionary.

[reese125]

If he somehow shreds the skins d, he definitely should be up there in comeback player of the year and a pro-bowl candidate (which is a joke to make, but for him an unreal accomplishment 2 years off of football) only because its a tough division game with 2 teams that are very familiar with each other and it means that much more.

but MVP of the league? the only way he would get consideration is if he played the jags for the next 13 games

[rjs246]

Vick still makes me nervous. For most of the game yesterday he was a 50% passer and right now, while he provides big plays and a threat outside of the pocket, I can't help but think that he's never far from a 12/30 110 0/2 type day.

Having said that, I never in my wildest dreams expected him to be playing this well. It's happening against poor teams so far but he didn't play this well in Atlanta over a 2.5 game span that I can ever remember.