Health Care Reform thread

[mussa]

Hmmm a southern senator from south carolina belts out liar at the presidents speech. its amazing he didn't scream out nig*&&^%er. i really enjoyed how he pointed out that the majority of those that oppose, are doing it for political reasons, not helping to solve the problem we have, or in other words, doing their jobs. Its really sad how pathetic the right is right now, refusing to work, and only bitching about it. its just sad.

[reese125]

F the President, have a shred of respect for something far more important to civilization: the principle of mannerly debate. 

problem was bud that was not a debate, it was a speech...so yes show some respect

[Diomedes]

You get my point.  The office of the President deserves respect, sure.  But more important even than showing respect to the office of the Presidency is honoring the idea of civilized debate, discussion, etc.  This dickback doesn't just insult the man at the podium and the office he holds, but like the gang of disruptive town hall goons who have been running roughshod over citizen's ability to speak their minds all summer, his behavior is an affront to civilized debate in general.

That he's become a champion for the right says everything you need to know about where the American conservatives are right now, and where they are going.

[NGM]

Hmmm a southern senator from south carolina belts out liar at the presidents speech. its amazing he didn't scream out nig*&&^%er. i really enjoyed how he pointed out that the majority of those that oppose, are doing it for political reasons, not helping to solve the problem we have, or in other words, doing their jobs. Its really sad how pathetic the right is right now, refusing to work, and only bitching about it. its just sad.

I for one didn't really care for that.  That served no purpose but to rub the Republican's nose in the dirt.  How is that constructive?  Overall, I thought it was a good speech.  Too bad he should have done this in June.  Too little too late I fear. 

[Susquehanna Birder]

F the President, have a shred of respect for something far more important to civilization: the principle of mannerly debate. 

problem was bud that was not a debate, it was a speech...so yes show some respect

The only difference between this and previous outbursts was that he didn't have a couple dozen of his pals to boo along with him.

[phillymic2000]

Hmmm a southern senator from south carolina belts out liar at the presidents speech. its amazing he didn't scream out nig*&&^%er. i really enjoyed how he pointed out that the majority of those that oppose, are doing it for political reasons, not helping to solve the problem we have, or in other words, doing their jobs. Its really sad how pathetic the right is right now, refusing to work, and only bitching about it. its just sad.

so this guy is a racist now, cause he Obama a liar?

Really the republicans are not offering anything to the health care debate?
I don't agree with his actions in that setting, there is a time and place for it and during ANY president's address is not it.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/29/house-republicans-unveil-_n_247301.html?page=28&show_comment_id=27970946#

Oh wait why would the main line news carry anything like that.

You get my point.  The office of the President deserves respect, sure.  But more important even than showing respect to the office of the Presidency is honoring the idea of civilized debate, discussion, etc.  This dickback doesn't just insult the man at the podium and the office he holds, but like the gang of disruptive town hall goons who have been running roughshod over citizen's ability to speak their minds all summer, his behavior is an affront to civilized debate in general.

That he's become a champion for the right says everything you need to know about where the American conservatives are right now, and where they are going.

Would that be the conservative goons yelling, or the Acorn, SEIU Union Goons that actually attacked people?

[ice grillin you]

id have no problem with what he did if he could provide a single shred of evidence that says obama will give illegal aliens health care...but since he cant there is no time or place to do what he did because hes completely farging wrong

[fansince61]

id have no problem with what he did if he could provide a single shred of evidence that says obama will give illegal aliens health care...but since he cant there is no time or place to do what he did because hes completely farging wrong

If you buy into insuring the "46 million uninsured" then 10 million would be illegals

[ice grillin you]

perhaps you would do better by reading the actual health care bill...if you did you would know that it specifically prohibits any federal money to go towards providing health care for illegals

the irony in this is that many illegal aliens have private health insurance

[PhillyPhreak54]

You get my point.  The office of the President deserves respect, sure.  But more important even than showing respect to the office of the Presidency is honoring the idea of civilized debate, discussion, etc.  This dickback doesn't just insult the man at the podium and the office he holds, but like the gang of disruptive town hall goons who have been running roughshod over citizen's ability to speak their minds all summer, his behavior is an affront to civilized debate in general.

That he's become a champion for the right says everything you need to know about where the American conservatives are right now, and where they are going.

Amen. Solid post.

The only reason he did it was to get his name out there and to appease his, in all likelihood, red(neck) colored constituency.

[Diomedes]

If that was in fact he goal, then he succeeded.  He's a hero to the Bush/Cheney/Palin sector of America now...I'd peg them at 30% of all Americans.

[Susquehanna Birder]

It's a problem when we hinge the argument on who is legal and who is not. I wonder if there isn't some plan afoot to legalize some (or many) of the previously illegal folks.

[Sgt PSN]

If that was in fact he goal, then he succeeded.  He's a hero to the Bush/Cheney/Palin sector of America now...I'd peg them at 30% of all Americans.

i think you're being quite conservative with your estimations. 

It's a problem when we hinge the argument on who is legal and who is not. I wonder if there isn't some plan afoot to legalize some (or many) of the previously illegal folks.

this is something i'd love to see happen.  bush had a chance to get it right with immigration reform.  instead, he opted to  impose tougher penalties for people who employ/harbor illegals (which is fine, but hardly a solution to the problem). 

the reason that we have so many illegals isn't because they're too lazy to do the paper work.  it's because the process is too slow and too expensive.  fix the farging process so that anyone who wants to come in this country to try and better their lives, can. 

[Susquehanna Birder]

Regardless...it's the same bubble of humanity that we're talking about giving health care to. They're just playing weasel politics with how they are defined.

[fansince61]

perhaps you would do better by reading the actual health care bill...if you did you would know that it specifically prohibits any federal money to go towards providing health care for illegals

the irony in this is that many illegal aliens have private health insurance

what bill? which bill?  How many people have talked about a plan for the uninsured 46 million?