I LOVE Non-Smokers

[rjs246]

Your binary view of the world is too ridiculous to comprehend.

[ice grillin you]

i dont know what binary means but if more people viewed things in the way i do it would be a much better planet to reside on

[rjs246]

No

[Tomahawk]

i dont know what binary means but if more people viewed things in the way i do it would be a much better planet to reside on

I think he's saying you are the matrix, neo

[Diomedes]

now they're gonna ban smoking in the farging military

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/12/military.smoking.ban/index.html

jesus christ what a bunch of iceholes.  of all people you might cut some slack for, you'd think it might be the ones doing the killing and dying for everyone else

[shorebird]

Obama to sign anti-smoking bill in Rose Garden

Ahh yes, just what we need, more government.

[Sgt PSN]

now they're gonna ban smoking in the farging military

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/12/military.smoking.ban/index.html

jesus christ what a bunch of iceholes.  of all people you might cut some slack for, you'd think it might be the ones doing the killing and dying for everyone else

wow.  what's next?  no drinking on base? 

even though i smoke, i understand why people want to get rid of smoking all together.  it's a dirty habit that smells bad, stains your teeth and kills your lungs.  but if you're going to start putting rules in place to reduce smoking in the military then they had better be rules that apply across the board to everyone. 

of course, one major thing that sucks about being in the military is that the laws that govern my daily life don't have to always be constitutional. 

[Eagaholic]

I have no problem with banning smoking in the military, it's counterproductive to one's health.

In the same vein, when is Obama going to sign a smoking ban for currently serving US Presidents?

[MadMarchHare]

I honestly don't see how allowing the FDA to regulate tobacco is an anti-smoking bill. It may be anti-tobacco-corporations, but the two aren't really the same unless you're a cynical pro-corporation whore.

theres no difference btwn anti smoking and anti tobacco.....you go after smokers you are going after the people who provide the means to smoke

the bill is trying to stop people from smoking and/or causing people to quit smoking...thats as anti smoking as it gets

Having the FDA regulate tobacco products is no where near the same as being anti-tobacco.  It does, however, prevent the tobacco companies from adding anything they want to increase the addictiveness of nicotine, like potent carcinogens, and minimize how and where they can advertize.

And I personally don't believe the FDA has been that bad.  A lot of the problems with drugs like Vioxx were the drug companies fault for over-marketing.  Granted, the FDA did allow direct marketing, which was farging ridiculous and should end immediately.  But they in general do a reasonable job.  Most of my "colleagues" actually find them overbearing, which is how it should be IMO.

[ice grillin you]

I honestly don't see how allowing the FDA to regulate tobacco is an anti-smoking bill. It may be anti-tobacco-corporations, but the two aren't really the same unless you're a cynical pro-corporation whore.

theres no difference btwn anti smoking and anti tobacco.....you go after smokers you are going after the people who provide the means to smoke

the bill is trying to stop people from smoking and/or causing people to quit smoking...thats as anti smoking as it gets

Having the FDA regulate tobacco products is no where near the same as being anti-tobacco.  It does, however, prevent the tobacco companies from adding anything they want to increase the addictiveness of nicotine, like potent carcinogens, and minimize how and where they can advertize.

And I personally don't believe the FDA has been that bad.  A lot of the problems with drugs like Vioxx were the drug companies fault for over-marketing.  Granted, the FDA did allow direct marketing, which was farging ridiculous and should end immediately.  But they in general do a reasonable job.  Most of my "colleagues" actually find them overbearing, which is how it should be IMO.

theres a lot more to the bill than just the fda regulation of tobacco products

[Diomedes]

I have no problem with banning smoking in the military, it's counterproductive to one's health.

I look forward to sitting on the committee that audits your personal life and bans those things we deem counterproductive to your health.  The committee cares about you.

[Sgt PSN]

I have no problem with banning smoking in the military, it's counterproductive to one's health.

i wouldn't have as much of a problem with this if you would have just said you wouldn't mind banning smoking in the us.  at least you wouldn't be singling out a specific group of people and would be in favor of a law that applies to everyone. 

In the same vein, when is Obama going to sign a smoking ban for currently serving US Presidents?

it seems like you're thinking that the military smoking ban is obama's idea or that he's going to give it his full support.  i haven't seen anything in the article that would lead me to believe that obama would even be in favor of this ban. 

[Yeti]

Drink and smoke.
Drink and smoke.
Drink and smoke.
HA HA.
farg you.
Drink and smoke.

[Eagaholic]

I have no problem with banning smoking in the military, it's counterproductive to one's health.

I look forward to sitting on the committee that audits your personal life and bans those things we deem counterproductive to your health.  The committee cares about you.

Fine, when I enlist you'll be the first to know.

[Eagaholic]

I have no problem with banning smoking in the military, it's counterproductive to one's health.

i wouldn't have as much of a problem with this if you would have just said you wouldn't mind banning smoking in the us.  at least you wouldn't be singling out a specific group of people and would be in favor of a law that applies to everyone. 

In the same vein, when is Obama going to sign a smoking ban for currently serving US Presidents?

it seems like you're thinking that the military smoking ban is obama's idea or that he's going to give it his full support.  i haven't seen anything in the article that would lead me to believe that obama would even be in favor of this ban. 

The military is a whole different set of people than the civilian population (which I think you pointed out earlier) which people voluntarily enter. It seems counter productive to expend so much energy in training, conditioning, etc and to smoke at the same time.

I don't think a cigarette here and there is likely to be harmful but as a habit it is. And for the record, I agree with Dio that if there is a group that we'd want to support in special ways it should be the military, but there are much better and more supportive places to start - particularly with fair assessment and delivery of promised care for service connected vets and provision of the best available equipment for combat soldiers. 

With Omaba, I was just referring to the fact he smokes.