Brian Dawkins, ex-Eagle

[shorebird]

This is exactly what I was getting back to post.  Everyone talks about how Dawk made no plays all year and how terrible he was... even some bullshtein about not "wrapping up" while tackling anymore

Bullshtein?!?!? What friggen' team were you watching last year!?! All he tried to do 90% of the time was spear ball carriers. It was plain as day to see.

I can't believe that their is someone with the audacity to try and defend Darth on this point. It just goes to show you the blind hero worship he has in this town.

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This is exactly what I was getting back to post.  Everyone talks about how Dawk made no plays all year and how terrible he was... even some bullshtein about not "wrapping up" while tackling anymore

Bullshtein?!?!? What friggen' team were you watching last year!?! All he tried to do 90% of the time was spear ball carriers. It was plain as day to see.

I can't believe that their is someone with the audacity to try and defend Darth on this point. It just goes to show you the blind hero worship he has in this town.

This is a red herring and as a Shorebird I know you one when you see one.  I don't see you addressing the numbers anywhere in your defense of your position. 
75 tackles, 3 sacks, 6 forced fumbles and an INT are pretty hard numbers to refute in terms of measuring Dawk's effectiveness.  Did the man make plays or not s the only question.  It has been pretty successfully argued in this thread that he made more plays than most guys on the team.  Who knows maybe his Schtick is growing old in the locker room and maybe the Eagles feel demps is ready to step up but they had better be right or they will be rightly in line for continuous, non-stop, flip and keep roasting to Hockey puck hardness, grilling from every Eagles fan out there.

[Rome]

I hate the front office clowns who run the team but as I've said repeatedly in this thread they made the right decision where Dawk is concerned.  Two years or five years, it makes no difference.  He's cooked NOW and things are only going to get worse from here on out.

PS: I'll be there when they retire his jersey and I'll continue to wear the one I have proudly. 

[Feva]

This is exactly what I was getting back to post.  Everyone talks about how Dawk made no plays all year and how terrible he was... even some bullshtein about not "wrapping up" while tackling anymore

Bullshtein?!?!? What friggen' team were you watching last year!?! All he tried to do 90% of the time was spear ball carriers. It was plain as day to see.

I can't believe that their is someone with the audacity to try and defend Darth on this point. It just goes to show you the blind hero worship he has in this town.

Yes, because bullshtein is exactly what you're talking with that.  What friggin' team have you been watching for the last 13 years?!?!  Dawkins has never been a "wrap up" tackler.  He's ALWAYS been one to deliver a hard shot or aim directly at the ball when tackling.  That's been his style HIS ENTIRE CAREER... which has obviously been effective for the most part so your argument about this becoming some sort of development this year shows you either haven't been watching, ridiculously uninformed... or like I said, making a bullshtein argument.

[Feva]

I hate the front office clowns who run the team but as I've said repeatedly in this thread they made the right decision where Dawk is concerned.  Two years or five years, it makes no difference.  He's cooked NOW and things are only going to get worse from here on out.

PS: I'll be there when they retire his jersey and I'll continue to wear the one I have proudly. 

Link?


Player he was?  Nope.  Still capable of contributing?  Yup.  Was he the best FS option for the Eagles in 2009?  Likely.

[shorebird]

This is a red herring and as a Shorebird I know you one when you see one.  I don't see you addressing the numbers anywhere in your defense of your position. 
75 tackles, 3 sacks, 6 forced fumbles and an INT are pretty hard numbers to refute in terms of measuring Dawk's effectiveness. 

Those numbers are not irrefutable. They look half good if you didn't actually watch him play. Besides, one of the reasons he had 75 tackles is because he was playing the run so much because our linebackers needed the help. shtein, I can remember Trotter getting over twice that many tackles multiple years.

[shorebird]

This is exactly what I was getting back to post.  Everyone talks about how Dawk made no plays all year and how terrible he was... even some bullshtein about not "wrapping up" while tackling anymore

Bullshtein?!?!? What friggen' team were you watching last year!?! All he tried to do 90% of the time was spear ball carriers. It was plain as day to see.

I can't believe that their is someone with the audacity to try and defend Darth on this point. It just goes to show you the blind hero worship he has in this town.

Yes, because bullshtein is exactly what you're talking with that.  What friggin' team have you been watching for the last 13 years?!?!  Dawkins has never been a "wrap up" tackler. .

Yeah, right, he's never been a wrap up tackler as you can see by this video, espcially when he wraps up Whitten and slams him to the turf.

http://www.youtube.com/v/CO-EekXOZC4

I'll admit, he has made some terrific hits, like the one on Crumpler in the NFCCG against the Falcons, and they were the staple of the kind of player he used to be. But to say he's never wrapped up any ballcarrier is just someone grasping at straws trying to defend his opinion. Darth, along with Trotter, were the best tacklers on this team for quite a while. Darth now has lost it, period.

[Feva]

OK... maybe I should show a vid of the "Dawkplex" to make a point that he always suplexes a guy when he tackles them.  Buy a farging vowel, Shore.


I never said he "never wrapped up any ballcarrier." You did, sushine.

[shorebird]

Too be fair, I'm not saying he didn't make any plays last year.

http://www.youtube.com/v/0gglzKGbu8c

[Feva]

Right.  You said he made four.

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sheldon weighs in:

Brown said he thinks the Eagles will miss Dawkins' playing ability more than his leadership.

"Everybody talked about him like he was on the decline, but I think that was a bunch of crap," Brown said. "He played at such a high level for so long that any kind of drop-off is still better than most other players. He set the bar so high by the way he played, and he's still one of the best players."

Brown said he doesn't plan to become any more vocal, but he doesn't think Dawkins' leadership qualities are irreplaceable.

"I think leadership is overrated," he said. "Your work ethic is your leadership. People didn't respect Dawk because he spoke well. They respected him for the way he worked in the off-season and the way he was always there for you as a teammate. Guys have to be mature enough and man enough to know this is their job.

"I think in the bigger picture, guys should say, 'If they can let Brian Dawkins go, what can they do to you?' That speaks volumes."

Brown said he was disappointed because he felt the Eagles became a top-notch secondary last season. The team finished first in the NFC and third in the NFL in passing yards allowed.

"I think we finished as one of the top secondaries, and now we're starting to break things up," Brown said.

[Seabiscuit36]

so manybitchmade muthafargers on here protecting Joe and his 43million

[ice grillin you]

No, according to igy and his minions, that's not possible. The line has been drawn and you're either defending the FO or you must hate it. Their is no in between. It doesn't matter that 99.9% of everyone here bashes Banner and Reid on almost every move they make. You're either for them or against them, no matter what.

might wanna check the thread and see how many times i mentioned the front office being correct in their decision to get rid of veteran...they jusy happen to be dead wrong this time...so its NOT about being against or for them...every situation is different...the amount of wrong things you have said in this thread is staggering...the latest being comparing the amount of tackles a middle linebacker had in his prime to a safety having in his waning years...he wont be but dawkins could be the worst safety in the nfl next year and it would still be a bad descision to have let him go...i suspect denver will use him exactly how they used lynch his last couple years as a in the box run defender who provides awesome in nthe locker room leasdership and tutelege...plus dawk can still cover a TE when he needs to and be used insome blitz packages...then after one season...maybe two depending on how he plays he will leave their secondary and defense in hopefully a better place...for denver its a good to decent signing nothing more...but for the eagles its an inexcusable descision...cant wait for the broncos to come to town next year

still waiting for a good reason why dawk should have been let go...

[Seabiscuit36]

I like Demps, but he aint ready, so really what is the farging plan?  Move Sheldon back? Sign Greer and have him starting opposite Hanson?  This team downgraded on defense this year, and lost its Leader.  Defend that

[ice grillin you]

sheldon weighs in:

Brown said he thinks the Eagles will miss Dawkins' playing ability more than his leadership.

"Everybody talked about him like he was on the decline, but I think that was a bunch of crap," Brown said. "He played at such a high level for so long that any kind of drop-off is still better than most other players. He set the bar so high by the way he played, and he's still one of the best players."

Brown said he doesn't plan to become any more vocal, but he doesn't think Dawkins' leadership qualities are irreplaceable.

"I think leadership is overrated," he said. "Your work ethic is your leadership. People didn't respect Dawk because he spoke well. They respected him for the way he worked in the off-season and the way he was always there for you as a teammate. Guys have to be mature enough and man enough to know this is their job.

"I think in the bigger picture, guys should say, 'If they can let Brian Dawkins go, what can they do to you?' That speaks volumes."

Brown said he was disappointed because he felt the Eagles became a top-notch secondary last season. The team finished first in the NFC and third in the NFL in passing yards allowed.

"I think we finished as one of the top secondaries, and now we're starting to break things up," Brown said.