Political Hippo Circle Jerk - America, farg YEAH!

[shorebird]

My parents didn't leave me a dime when they died and since I've actually worked every year since 1980 I've never collected a dime in assistance from the gubment.

Of course, I work for the gubment now, so thanks for your support!

I'd say you're in the majority, although like the Butcher says, there is a lot of suckling going on out there.

My Dad worked his friggen' ass off to be were he is today, and he's a self made millionaire, but I doubt I'll see any of it. I've always thought my lifestyle will lead me to death way before him.

[stalker]

As usual you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Sure, sure it's all the greedy bank's fault. My farging garbage man who lives in a 5 bedroom 4 bath brand new house was not to blame at all when he was foreclosed on last year.

[Diomedes]

Your garbage man didn't have a fleet of highly educated highly paid people calculating the risks, crafting the marketing, and making the sales.  Your garbage man was the little guy in the game who took by far the greater risk.  He's the one out of a house, whatever money he put into it, and dragging around a ruined credit rating. 

So no, the burden of fault does not fall more to him than to the banks.  With power and money comes the responsibility to use it judiciously.  Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

Irresponsible borrowers are at fault to a degree, of course.

But neither are they new the game.  What's new is the wildly reckless bankers, the reward-massively-for-failure management model, and the lack of reasonable government oversight.

[Phanatic]

I've always been against the state tax because the government gets to tax the money twice, however if it is true that it is only for estates above $3.5 million who gives a farg. There are a whole lot more important things to worry about in this country.

In the fact that if it doesn't directly effect you, it doesn't matter.

What's that got to do with racism?

Also it has nothing to do with whether it effects me or not. That's your baggage not mine. I'm just thinking that if less then 1% of the population is effected by the "Death tax" problem there are a whole ton of other things higher on the list to work on. Besides. I'm really undecided on it but your helping me decide that your position will end up being the wrong one.

[Diomedes]

Here's an analogy for you.  Banks are parents, borrowers are children.

stillupfront would blame the children for burning down the house after the parents left them alone with a can of gasoline, lighters, and Backdraft playing on the teevee as a warning not to play with fire.

[ice grillin you]

not to mention his assinine example was the exception not the rule

[Phanatic]

I think I read that only 5% of all these mortgages are the ones causing all these problems. I think you could easily say that 5% of the population are irresponsible idiots. At some point someone made it a financial strategy to invest in this portion of the population. They bullshteinted those not smart enough to know better and took advantage of those too stupid to care about the consequences.

I look at that 5% as constant. There will always be stupid people out there. Why would you invest in them willingly?

[Diomedes]

To get rich quick knowing you'll never be prosecuted for it and damn to hell the consequences for everyone else.

oh. that was a rhetorical question.  I get it.

[stalker]

I've always been against the state tax because the government gets to tax the money twice, however if it is true that it is only for estates above $3.5 million who gives a farg. There are a whole lot more important things to worry about in this country.

In the fact that if it doesn't directly effect you, it doesn't matter.

What's that got to do with racism?

Also it has nothing to do with whether it effects me or not. That's your baggage not mine. I'm just thinking that if less then 1% of the population is effected by the "Death tax" problem there are a whole ton of other things higher on the list to work on. Besides. I'm really undecided on it but your helping me decide that your position will end up being the wrong one.

I guarantee that is not less than 1% of the population. However, this is still by definition a minority group. I am a flat tax guy. It's truly the only fair model there is. If my estate is worth $16 when I am dead, it should be taxed at the same rate as someone who's estate is worth $16million. If I pay 40% of my yearly income to taxes, why should someone pay a smaller percentage? I can't understand how anyone doesn't find this fair.

Here's an analogy for you.  Banks are parents, borrowers are children.

stillupfront would blame the children for burning down the house after the parents left them alone with a can of gasoline, lighters, and Backdraft playing on the teevee as a warning not to play with fire.

You are a retard! So you are saying that the average middleclass person has the brains of a child? What an elitist icehole you are.

not to mention his assinine example was the exception not the rule

What asinine example would that be Jigy?

[Phanatic]

Flat tax is an interesting idea but we could not keep the government running in its current state with a system like that. That might not be a bad thing per say.

I prefer a national sales tax and eliminate all income taxes.

[Rome]

As usual you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Sure, sure it's all the greedy bank's fault. My farging garbage man who lives in a 5 bedroom 4 bath brand new house was not to blame at all when he was foreclosed on last year.

If someone is sold a lemon, by your reasoning, it's actually their fault for purchasing the defective product.

Clown.

[Diomedes]

Caveat emptor, man!  You were dumb enough to eat the peanuts, you deserve to die.  Free market at work!

What, you didn't have a dozen ivy league educated people helping you to write, negotiate and parse out the contracts?  Oh, your public school education didn't teach you that?  Well screw you buddy, your fault.

[Phanatic]

There will always be people dumb enough to answer those email scams from Sudan. If it becomes a matter of financial strategy to invest in that... Doom... Gloom...

[stalker]

As usual you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Sure, sure it's all the greedy bank's fault. My farging garbage man who lives in a 5 bedroom 4 bath brand new house was not to blame at all when he was foreclosed on last year.

If someone is sold a lemon, by your reasoning, it's actually their fault for purchasing the defective product.

Clown.

You're way off there idiot. The property wasn't defective.

Using the car analogy properly. Someone sells the aforementioned garbage man a Maserati and tells him the payments are only $100/month for the 1st 6 months but they will be $2K/month afterward. And it is farging spelled out. And he buys it anyway, do you feel sorry for him when they repo the car?

[Rome]

You're wrong.