Donovan McNabb

[pinoyboy2pt0]

the selection of players is a big thing too.  i'd be curious to see how much JJ really wants "fastballs" or if he just has to deal with the hand he's dealt by heckert/reid giving him a de, making him play olb, a lb playing de, a de playing dt, then taking his dt away to play full back, sending lito a message by playing hanson over him, etc. 

same thing goes for wr's.  they're "happy" they don't have a go to wr bc that way they can spread the ball around.  i believe the 1 year (or so) that mcnabb wasn't injured due to reids "all run long routes" offense was when someone named TO could get open and mcnabb didn't have to stand back and get shot after shot blasted into him.

or too busy drafting replacements instead of need (or even want for that matter)

the philosophy, on and off field has got to go and reid is the common denominator. 

keep 5. 

also, mentioned before i agree about 5 not calling audibles, true the walrus doesn't get plays in quick, but that definitely doesn't mean 5 should be let off the hook, he's at fault for that too.  unless of course there's some reid's version of a gentleman's agreement that if he audibles and goes against the coach a la peyton manning, then he'd bench him or some shtein.  hard to imagine, but possible.

farging reid.

[Phanatic]

These guys have a franchise QB with no one to throw too.
They plan ahead of time to bench that franchise QB for a backup with little to no experience when they don't even trust the o=line with the running game.

Classic Philly sports!!

[Wingspan]

They don't have a Franchise QB

A franchise QB can with at any time, and is always a threat. A franchise QB makes his team better.

McNabb was no franchise qb, he was franchised to death, but never shown that greatness that you saw in other traditional franchise qbs.

Hell I hate to say it...Eli Manning is the franchise Qb that McNabb never was. he did all of the things McNabb should have done, in less than half the time.

[Diomedes]

These guys have a franchise QB with no one to throw too.
They plan ahead of time to bench that franchise QB for a backup with little to no experience when they don't even trust the o=line with the running game.

Well put, that's exactly the situation.   It's so difficult for me to imagine how anyone, anyone, could think this way, that I really can't shake the feeling that it's a long bad dream and I'm gonna wake up sometime.   Who the hell thinks like this??

[Diomedes]

They don't have a Franchise QB

etc.

Under almost any other coach, he's a franchise.  Hell, as he is now he meets half your own criteria.

[Wingspan]

They don't have a Franchise QB

etc.

Under almost any other coach, he's a franchise.  Hell, as he is now he meets half your own criteria.

Half is the operative word.

He steadily improved for about 4 years...and you can't not honestly say that he ever made any great strides after that time period, unfortunately he leveled off. Now, i put it on the coaches and administration for not admitting this and addressing it buy either changing the system to fit him, or bringing in better players to compliment him. But it remains that he never achieved that "Franchise QB" status.

He still a very good QB, and i think he'll move on and probably find success somewhere... as long as it is a coach that will make the adjustments to accommodate his shortcomings (see Ben Roethlisberger's superbowl win).

[Rome]

The one year they gave him a receiver worthy of his skill level he had a career year.  And consider this... the POS playing opposite T.O. was frigging Freddie Mitchell (or Pinkston) yet McNabb still threw for 30 touchdowns.

It's infuriating watching a great player like McNabb get screwed his entire career by a fat know-nothing clown like Reid.

We are Eagles fans, though, so we should be used to this by now.

See: Cunningham, Randall, White, Reggie, etc. etc. . .

[mussa]

It's infuriating watching a great player like McNabb get screwed his entire career by a fat know-nothing clown like Reid.

[Phanatic]

Eli has people to throw too. He makes mistakes and there's other players on the team who pick up the slack. McNabb makes mistakes and its the end of the offense till he gets it going again. What pisses me off even more is that the Eagles have one of the best running backs in the game and he's never used by the coaches properly becaus the 'o-line' can't handle the run? The o-line can handle the run just fine if the whole world doesn't know the play you just called you fat farg head corksucker farg!

I don't care how improtant the QB position is. The sun should not rise and set on the shoulders of one guy. This team considered James farging Thrash a true number 1 receiver and as far as I'm concerned its all on the Reid. He's never put his 'guy' in a position to truly win outside of one year and that farger turned out to be a complete nut job.

We are Philly fans We are farged!

Go Phillies!

[Phanatic]

The one year they gave him a receiver worthy of his skill level he had a career year.  And consider this... the POS playing opposite T.O. was frigging Freddie Mitchell (or Pinkston) yet McNabb still threw for 30 touchdowns.

It's infuriating watching a great player like McNabb get screwed his entire career by a fat know-nothing clown like Reid.

We are Eagles fans, though, so we should be used to this by now.

See: Cunningham, Randall, White, Reggie, etc. etc. . .

McNabb and TO broke fanchise records in that one year.

[Magical_Retard]

They don't have a Franchise QB

A franchise QB can with at any time, and is always a threat. A franchise QB makes his team better.

McNabb was no franchise qb, he was franchised to death, but never shown that greatness that you saw in other traditional franchise qbs.

Hell I hate to say it...Eli Manning is the franchise Qb that McNabb never was. he did all of the things McNabb should have done, in less than half the time.

im sorry but ELI has better weapons at every skill position (maybe minus westbrook but thats more about proper use of the RBs) and a better coach than McNabb.

he also has a better defense.

McNabb only leveled off only after TO was gone and he kept getting hurt. why reid decided to revert back to mediocre WRs after he saw what TO did for McNabb and the offense is the most baffling part of this whole puzzle.

[Rome]

It's not surprising at all that Reid would revert back to the Reggie Browns and Kevin Curtis's of the world after T.O. left because T.O. single-handedly proved that Reid's almighty system was bullshtein.  Reid is so arrogant he actually believes that shuffling garbage in and out is preferable to getting a star receiver that the quarterback can rely on.  It's astounding, really, especially considering he's been proven wrong every single year he's been in Philly.

I can't imagine what Donovan could have accomplished if Reid had simply gone out and gotten him a Larry Fitzgerald at some point early in his career.

[Diomedes]

I can imagine all the puking.

[MadMarchHare]

Establish and utilize a running game, and McNabb (and maybe even his current receivers) could look pretty farging good.  Maybe not SB good, but competitive.  Reid is the farging problem, McNabb isn't.  But boy does he get a lion's share of the blame.

Sure, he's got sand in the vagina, he's more weak willed than most women on Paxil.  But Reid farged this team, not McNabb.  They were good despite Reid, largely because McNabb compensated for his coach's idiocy when the physical skills were still there.

[Magical_Retard]

good article on the situation from a non philly reporter:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80cc5aeb&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

That life preserver Andy Reid just tossed to Donovan McNabb might have helped keep the quarterback afloat if it were equipped with a couple of vibrant receivers, steadfast pass protection and a commitment to balance the Eagles offense.

It was not.

So, the McNabb trek will likely pick up where it left off with this quarterback in a state of football flux -- his team, too -- spiraling downward and steaming toward a split. Soon. Very soon.


It is nearly impossible to imagine that McNabb is going to be the Eagles quarterback beyond these five games remaining. It's likely he will be pulled again, benched again, before the Eagles exit this middling, 5-5-1 season full of broken promise and hope.

Reid explained that he benched McNabb after the first half on Sunday against the Ravens to light a spark. When McNabb left, the Eagles trailed, 10-7. In his absence, the score was 26-0 Ravens. The 36-7 drubbing was beyond a wakeup call for the Eagles. But they are broken and look beyond repair. At least for these next five games.

Curiously, Reid also said he instructed quarterback coach Pat Shurmur to tell McNabb he was being benched at halftime. Reid said he was busy finishing all of the tasks a head coach must complete at halftime. In the same news conference setting, Reid also said that he knows McNabb "better than anyone in this room."

And if that is the case, after 10 years of being joined in controversy, battle and shining moments, Reid might not know the quarterback as well as he thinks. Hard to imagine that McNabb took the approach as nothing else but cowardly. He said his first reaction when told by Shurmur was, "Wow." The "Wow" was likely as much for the send-a-messenger approach as much for the benching.

The guy was obviously stung.

It has been this way for him in Philadelphia from the start, from the moment he was drafted in 1999 and booed by Eagles fans. McNabb proved to be a better draft pick than Ricky Williams, whom many Eagles fans preferred, or quarterbacks Tim Couch, Akili Smith or Cade McNown. McNabb has always had one part of him in harmony and another in discord in Philadelphia. There is an undercurrent of leeriness there on both sides. It has been there all along.

Four NFC Championship games, a Super Bowl appearance and five Pro Bowl berths by McNabb have not been enough to heal and mend and grow an unbreakable bond. Eagles fans have long given him the business. He has given it back. In the end, he usually had the final answer -- he was easily a top-five NFL quarterback in style and in production.

Now that his game is slipping, crumbling as the Eagles offense around him crumbles, the howling is intense. The benching a byproduct. All of this with an Eagles offense that ranks ninth in points scored, ninth in yards, fifth in passing, and ... a lousy 26th in rushing.

That is a quarterback killer.

The Eagles have run the ball 260 times this season, but their opponents have run it 316 times. The Eagles have passed the ball 432 times and their opponents have thrown it 356 times. It is an out-of-whack offense, an imbalanced offense that demands that McNabb do more with less.

Dallas' receiving corps includes Terrell Owens and Roy Williams. The Giants include Plaxico Burress and Amani Toomer. Washington features Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El. These are the talents the Eagles are trying to beat in the NFC East while rolling out a crew of receivers who are not in that stratosphere. Maybe rookie DeSean Jackson can get there, but not much more among the current Eagles group.

This has eaten away privately at McNabb, the idea that he is being asked to produce in a system that rarely has complemented his abilities with an abundance of playmakers. Many personnel people in this league believe that McNabb has had a successful 10-year career in spite of the parts around him, not because of them.

I do not see McNabb repeating his horrible first half against the Ravens (8-for-18 for 59 yards with two interceptions and a lost fumble) on Thanksgiving night against Arizona. For his sake, in front of the brutal Eagles fans, let's hope ugliness is avoided. But I do not see McNabb surviving with the Eagles beyond this season. This is a final dance here and the feet on all sides will likely continue to tangle. All of the ingredients point to more misery. Maybe even another eventual benching.

McNabb might draw interest from Cincinnati  ?? , Detroit, Houston, Kansas City, Minnesota, St. Louis, San Francisco, Tampa Bay, Chicago and even the Jets if Brett Favre makes it a one-and-done deal.

McNabb is back, Reid says. McNabb is the starter again. Until he is benched again. It is coming. Clearly. That life preserver Reid tossed is full of holes. From the moment the Eagles spent a second-round pick on quarterback Kevin Kolb in 2007, the clock was ticking. This insufferable season has sped the dials.

McNabb is scheduled to give his spin on it all Tuesday. It is his birthday. He turns 32. Happy Birthday, Donovan. Make a wish.

really? cinci might go for him? why?